I've seen many commercial amps that have a "protection" LED, that lights when the amp goes in a kind of protection mode, in example when it's oscillating
Has anyone a schematic for this?
PS: there's no need for short circuit protection; since it's for a gainclone. My principal aim is to see easilly if the amp oscillates
Thanks
Alex
Has anyone a schematic for this?
PS: there's no need for short circuit protection; since it's for a gainclone. My principal aim is to see easilly if the amp oscillates
Thanks
Alex
This is a topic of interest for me as well.
This is more of a question than an answer : When they oscillate are they driven close to the rail voltage?
would a clipping indicator work?- comparator with threshold
close to rail voltage?
This is more of a question than an answer : When they oscillate are they driven close to the rail voltage?
would a clipping indicator work?- comparator with threshold
close to rail voltage?
I saw a schematic in the Slone
audio book for an usual DC offset
detector with oscillating output
detection. It had output series resistor andinductor.
The voltage sense taps off the inductor..
I don't know too much about it, I wasn't interested in the design......
I guess the voltage rises at oscillation
triggering the DC offset detector.
Or make a high frequency detector
high pass filter at > 50khz
that triggers when voltage > threshold?

audio book for an usual DC offset
detector with oscillating output
detection. It had output series resistor andinductor.
The voltage sense taps off the inductor..
I don't know too much about it, I wasn't interested in the design......
I guess the voltage rises at oscillation
triggering the DC offset detector.
Or make a high frequency detector

high pass filter at > 50khz
that triggers when voltage > threshold?

Clipping indicator
Here...(for the Leach Amp):
http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~mleach/lowtim/graphics/clip.pdf
Arne K
Here...(for the Leach Amp):
http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~mleach/lowtim/graphics/clip.pdf
Arne K
thanks
but this is to indicate clipping, isn't it?
does this work for oscillation? oscillation isn't always a high voltage, I saw amps oscillates at 2Vpp
but this is to indicate clipping, isn't it?
does this work for oscillation? oscillation isn't always a high voltage, I saw amps oscillates at 2Vpp
are these oscillations always a high frequency?
highpass+ threshold?
I have been thinking a zero crossing detector would capture all DC problems but the oscillating case is not detected. maybe setecting something in the feedback path?
highpass+ threshold?
I have been thinking a zero crossing detector would capture all DC problems but the oscillating case is not detected. maybe setecting something in the feedback path?
when my gainclone was oscillating, it was at 666kHz, 2V
with a zobel (10R+0.1uF) and 200uF added PSU caps, it's reduced to 10-20mV, still 666lHz
with a zobel (10R+0.1uF) and 200uF added PSU caps, it's reduced to 10-20mV, still 666lHz
How do I use the clipping indicator for the leach amp? Do I just connect the output of my amp to the one labeled "output"?
Can I use this for my other amps?
Jojo
Can I use this for my other amps?
Jojo
JojoD818 said:How do I use the clipping indicator for the leach amp? Do I just connect the output of my amp to the one labeled "output"?
Can I use this for my other amps?
Jojo
yes
yes
Sources foe such circuits
In Randy Slones books you can find simple circuits for clippping indicators, oscillation indicators, and circuit that provide speaker DC protection. delayed tuern on, and thermal protection with an LED flashing in various ways to indicate the sstatus.
Rod Elliot has clipping indicator as well as the SIM (Signal Impairment Monitor).
These are copy writed so they can't be posted here, but are easy enough to look up. All are fairly simple to build.
In Randy Slones books you can find simple circuits for clippping indicators, oscillation indicators, and circuit that provide speaker DC protection. delayed tuern on, and thermal protection with an LED flashing in various ways to indicate the sstatus.
Rod Elliot has clipping indicator as well as the SIM (Signal Impairment Monitor).
These are copy writed so they can't be posted here, but are easy enough to look up. All are fairly simple to build.
You can use it even if it's copywrited. You just can't sell it or post it. You can go to Rod Elliot's site, print out your own copy and build it. What you should not do is post a copy here. Ditto with Slones except I don't think it posted on his web site. You could go to your library and if it is there make a copy, go home and build it.
Of course if you want to put it in a product for resale, the appropriate course would be to contact the individuals and work a deal. In either case, there may not actually be a patent so perhaps you could use it anyway so long as you didn't republish the schematic.
Of course if you want to put it in a product for resale, the appropriate course would be to contact the individuals and work a deal. In either case, there may not actually be a patent so perhaps you could use it anyway so long as you didn't republish the schematic.
sam9 said:You can use it even if it's copywrited. You just can't sell it or post it. You can go to Rod Elliot's site, print out your own copy and build it. What you should not do is post a copy here. Ditto with Slones except I don't think it posted on his web site. You could go to your library and if it is there make a copy, go home and build it.
Of course if you want to put it in a product for resale, the appropriate course would be to contact the individuals and work a deal. In either case, there may not actually be a patent so perhaps you could use it anyway so long as you didn't republish the schematic.
the problem is finding it in a french library...
Ooopppsss,
I think I posted Rod's P3A on a thread here. I never thought that I may do something bad (stupid me).
For that, I am so sorry.
Jojo
Tnx for the reply about the clipping indicator.
I think I posted Rod's P3A on a thread here. I never thought that I may do something bad (stupid me).
For that, I am so sorry.
Jojo
Tnx for the reply about the clipping indicator.
I doubt Rod minds as long as it is correctly attributed to him. In principle he could complain. Generally, the forum moderator steps in if something goes too far.
Sam,
I don't have any intention of doing wrong to anybody, especially in this forum. I apologize to anyone I unintentionally did wrong.
I came to this forum to learn, not to make anybody mad. 🙂
I guess I should be more sensitive when posting other people's property. 🙂
Jojo
I don't have any intention of doing wrong to anybody, especially in this forum. I apologize to anyone I unintentionally did wrong.
I came to this forum to learn, not to make anybody mad. 🙂
I guess I should be more sensitive when posting other people's property. 🙂
Jojo
JojoD818 said:Sam,
I don't have any intention of doing wrong to anybody, especially in this forum. I apologize to anyone I unintentionally did wrong.
I came to this forum to learn, not to make anybody mad. 🙂
I guess I should be more sensitive when posting other people's property. 🙂
Jojo
Rod's images are always tagged with the ESL logo, so I think he doesn't mind
"I don't have any intention of doing wrong to anybody, especially in this forum. I apologize to anyone I unintentionally did wrong."
Don't worry, I wasn't angry. I was just trying to explain some of the complexities. I'm married to someone who co-authored one of the early papers on intellectual property and the internet, so I get a lot of input (and cautions) on that subject whether I want it or not. The situation remains unclear in a lot of ways. Someone like Rod Elliot may be quite mellow about what you post, calculating that it serves to send more business his way. Another person (or company) might take an exteme position and attack with an army of lawyers.
Don't worry, I wasn't angry. I was just trying to explain some of the complexities. I'm married to someone who co-authored one of the early papers on intellectual property and the internet, so I get a lot of input (and cautions) on that subject whether I want it or not. The situation remains unclear in a lot of ways. Someone like Rod Elliot may be quite mellow about what you post, calculating that it serves to send more business his way. Another person (or company) might take an exteme position and attack with an army of lawyers.
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