MS claims, and again this is their claim, 8 service pack due in April will be even more efficient as they don't want to loose the tablet and phone market. They also claim it will have more options to be used as a computer, not as a touch tablet for the 90% of us who buy computers because we need a computer. We shall see.
I know on my new low end laptop, ( i5) some of the DSP line GoldWave runs many times faster than on my old big XP AMD. Makes me rethink if I need a an i7 or not to speed up SPICE and my DSP stuff.
I know on my new low end laptop, ( i5) some of the DSP line GoldWave runs many times faster than on my old big XP AMD. Makes me rethink if I need a an i7 or not to speed up SPICE and my DSP stuff.
The current price for a FX-6300 is $120 and $130 for AMD A10-6790K Richland 4.0 GHz at Newegg.
And Intel I5's start at $180 for a Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz.
If I remember correctly the A10 is quite a bit faster than Intel's cheapest I5.
You can't beat the bang for your buck that AMD has to offer!!
It is just too bad that they are still behind in the speed game as we are still waiting for the desktop version of the steamroller CPU.
But for the price difference AMD's overclocking ability more than makes up for it. 😉
I normally have mine set at 4.8Ghz and have had it 5.0-5.1 on a very cold day.
I have read that the FX8350 will do this on just a water cooler.
I have had my mothers FX-6100 running stable at 4.95Ghz on a H100 cooler before as well,
And it really kicks up the heat as you can imagine, but it was prime stable.
Now I have it set at 4.75 as she doesn't have the need for extreme speed vs reliability.
It just depends on how much you have or want to spend is all. 😉
FWIW
jer 🙂
P.S. I opted for ASROCK's FX990 Extreme 4 motherboard as I wanted to have the IDE PATA interface as well that I can use my stockpile of old drives too.
Performance wise I have absolutely no complaints about it and my ram is running solid at 2133Mhz as many have complained that their "other board" won't do this and have to settle for a 1866Mhz RAM clock.
The only thing I found is that the IDE port is a bit wonky to set up, But it works great too once it is configured correctly. 🙂
And Intel I5's start at $180 for a Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz.
If I remember correctly the A10 is quite a bit faster than Intel's cheapest I5.
You can't beat the bang for your buck that AMD has to offer!!
It is just too bad that they are still behind in the speed game as we are still waiting for the desktop version of the steamroller CPU.
But for the price difference AMD's overclocking ability more than makes up for it. 😉
I normally have mine set at 4.8Ghz and have had it 5.0-5.1 on a very cold day.
I have read that the FX8350 will do this on just a water cooler.
I have had my mothers FX-6100 running stable at 4.95Ghz on a H100 cooler before as well,
And it really kicks up the heat as you can imagine, but it was prime stable.
Now I have it set at 4.75 as she doesn't have the need for extreme speed vs reliability.
It just depends on how much you have or want to spend is all. 😉
FWIW
jer 🙂
P.S. I opted for ASROCK's FX990 Extreme 4 motherboard as I wanted to have the IDE PATA interface as well that I can use my stockpile of old drives too.
Performance wise I have absolutely no complaints about it and my ram is running solid at 2133Mhz as many have complained that their "other board" won't do this and have to settle for a 1866Mhz RAM clock.
The only thing I found is that the IDE port is a bit wonky to set up, But it works great too once it is configured correctly. 🙂
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new operating system = new hardware
using old hardware and new operating system is rarely a happy solution
I'm sold on booting to SSDs no dragging me back
using old hardware and new operating system is rarely a happy solution
I'm sold on booting to SSDs no dragging me back
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Infinia,
SSD for boot, even with Win 8? I would say for swap, but with 16G RAM, I won't 😀. Opening Excel or WORD has gotten stupid slow, so SSD for apps. Intel SSD and Segate Black drives. OOPS. Segate has more than twice the failure rate as Hitachi.
Just doing my shopping. NewEgg has an Asus i7-4770 with 16G. Might just have to go there. 8 times the PASSMARK spec over the one I am using. That should speed up my high resolution SPICE simulations and GroveMechanic analysis. I want to put on a CentOS partition but don't know what I am getting into with the locked down BIOS. The cost over an i5-4440 is only about $50 for 50% more horsepower. Once you reach the mid i5, AMD falls off the map completely.
The old racers adage still holds: Speed is money. How fast do yo want to go?
SSD for boot, even with Win 8? I would say for swap, but with 16G RAM, I won't 😀. Opening Excel or WORD has gotten stupid slow, so SSD for apps. Intel SSD and Segate Black drives. OOPS. Segate has more than twice the failure rate as Hitachi.
Just doing my shopping. NewEgg has an Asus i7-4770 with 16G. Might just have to go there. 8 times the PASSMARK spec over the one I am using. That should speed up my high resolution SPICE simulations and GroveMechanic analysis. I want to put on a CentOS partition but don't know what I am getting into with the locked down BIOS. The cost over an i5-4440 is only about $50 for 50% more horsepower. Once you reach the mid i5, AMD falls off the map completely.
The old racers adage still holds: Speed is money. How fast do yo want to go?
yeah I saw that report on HDD failures, Hitachi was way down on the list, Seagate clearly has a problem. doesn't surprise me given my share of Maxtor disappointments before Seagate acquired them.
I'm counting on Samsung SSD for reliability over speed, all my apps launches are lightning fast. I think it keeps the OS thrashing down to a minimum on the storage HDD, so they should hold out better too. 1st gen i3 and win7 here, good enough. Intel beats AMD soundly across the board on single thread tasks which still are more common than one thinks.
I'm counting on Samsung SSD for reliability over speed, all my apps launches are lightning fast. I think it keeps the OS thrashing down to a minimum on the storage HDD, so they should hold out better too. 1st gen i3 and win7 here, good enough. Intel beats AMD soundly across the board on single thread tasks which still are more common than one thinks.
I have a 160GB Hitachi hard drive and it has 94% free space available less than 7GB used
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And?
OK are you pointing out unless we are storing massive movie or picture libraries we don't need a 2TB hard drive and the 60G SSD's are just fine? I use about 36G on my XT for OS and apps. I think Windows is more than 7Gig now.
Im using windows xp x64-bit professional now and so far the stuttering in most of my games has been reduced by 70% to nearly eliminated. some simple 2D programs still stutter but that's understandable since my CPU just isn't quite stable enough to run certain things that are coded whatever certain way that makes my cpu and framerate hiccup a little
means clean OS install?
usually a 2nd or 3rd party program, known or unknown (Malware) causes problems.
sometimes starting from scratch is only way to trouble shoot them.
7G is not a full XP install I don't think. With applications and my data, I have about 36G in use.
Very good advice. Reinstall from scratch. Pull up all the old tuning tips. "Back in the day" Windows 1, 2, 3 etc, we would re-install every year or so. Now I rely on CCleaner and RegestryRepair Pro to keep it cleaned up.
One more time: Hard drive performance only matters if you are swapping or reading from the disk. If this game is reading from the disk, then that could easilly be the problem. I am not a fan of throwing hardware at bad coding.
Very good advice. Reinstall from scratch. Pull up all the old tuning tips. "Back in the day" Windows 1, 2, 3 etc, we would re-install every year or so. Now I rely on CCleaner and RegestryRepair Pro to keep it cleaned up.
One more time: Hard drive performance only matters if you are swapping or reading from the disk. If this game is reading from the disk, then that could easilly be the problem. I am not a fan of throwing hardware at bad coding.
I have an ancient machine running XP just for internet browsing.
the problem is any modern anti virus program requires an update to SP3 and then proceeds to completely eat up my all RAM, HDD disk swapping galore = frozen stutter operation. So I had to remove the program
just not worth buying 2 new sticks of outdated stuff
CPU AMD XP 1700 single core 1.5 GHz DDR1 512MB ram, all 2 slots filled
the problem is any modern anti virus program requires an update to SP3 and then proceeds to completely eat up my all RAM, HDD disk swapping galore = frozen stutter operation. So I had to remove the program
just not worth buying 2 new sticks of outdated stuff
CPU AMD XP 1700 single core 1.5 GHz DDR1 512MB ram, all 2 slots filled
AVG is pretty tolerant. But if you are not running current SP3 and all patches, your machine is so freeking wide open no virus program would help. You could use Trend or one of the WEB portal ant-virus programs.
512 just won't cut it. Windows is too bloated. The next version of Win 8 CLAIMS to be far more hardware tolerant as they want to keep in the tablet and phone game. Wh onows. If all you do is browse, just put CentOS , Susi, Fedora or other LINUX on it. Just watch for video compatibility as even LINUX expects a pretty hefty video these days.
I just push the commit button. i7 4770, 2G video card, 16Gig 1600 RAM, etc. Stupid big boxes and I know they are empty. I will have to modify my desk to fit it in. At least it should make my simulations and filter programs fly.
512 just won't cut it. Windows is too bloated. The next version of Win 8 CLAIMS to be far more hardware tolerant as they want to keep in the tablet and phone game. Wh onows. If all you do is browse, just put CentOS , Susi, Fedora or other LINUX on it. Just watch for video compatibility as even LINUX expects a pretty hefty video these days.
I just push the commit button. i7 4770, 2G video card, 16Gig 1600 RAM, etc. Stupid big boxes and I know they are empty. I will have to modify my desk to fit it in. At least it should make my simulations and filter programs fly.
I am running SP3 just too much RAM to run either McAfee or Windows MSE , Windows XP runs fine @256M, it's just a problem when those antivirus prog. so I'm a little reluctant to try others at this point for the same result.
congrats what was the old system?
no SSD? for most tasks 8GB RAM is more than plenty, but yer future proofed, 2 GB for video is more gaming driven >1080p, for next generation titles ( console driven ) do you play 3D games?. Its not clear yet if HDMI /DP can handle future standards for 4K 60Hz* displays coming down the pike, 30Hz is fine.
my impression installing LINUX on old stuff is no cake walk either, drivers etc
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No SSD to start as it did not come in the bundle. With as long as it takes Office to come up, one is sure to be on my list. I expect more of the direct PCI buss plug in cards to be available soon that are affordable. ( who would not want a Fusion IO!) Going through the full SATA stack is just plain silly. Win 8 does boot quite quickly, but I leave my desktop on most of the time. I'll probably let the Stanford Protein folding or SETI use my spare cycles.
I wanted the big ram as some of my applications generate large intermediate data files so I wish to avoid swap at all costs. 8 would have done fine, but the bundle with 16 was cheaper! I can carve out several VM's and not be shorted. ( Win 8, XP, Linux etc)
Cheaper machines used the on-board video which is find for business, but I had issues with it using some of the semi-pro data acquisition software on my current HP. Even at 2G, it is not a high end gaming card so I did not waste much money. Passmark on this is about 9800. ASUS boards seem to run pretty well where I don't know how, but DELL can make the same chipset run half as fast. The last computer game I played was Adventure. " You are looking at a set of twisty passages"
I was surprised, An i5 with 8 gig and on board video was only $50 less.
Old one is an AMD 2 core, 2 gig ddr2 XP, fully current. Passmark of about 1200. I have hacked the daylights out of the registry so it runns pretty well. Programs like GrooveMechanic and Gold wave are still painful. If I am doing a large iterative FFT in SPICE, I can go get a brew while it runs. Other than that, for a business PC or for WEB browsing. it is faster than the source. For just browsing the WEB and doing business, an i3 is a monster.
I have pretty current insight to the kinds of malicious attacks out there, so I am very careful about patches and protection. Even so, I have been hit. Seriouslly, one of the biggest problems is that about 40% of the computers in the world run no protection at all and over 60% do not have current patches. These systems are frequentlly the basis for the large BOTS. You can always run a cheap firewall appliance ( most routers) to manage your outgoing ports with no burden on your PC and as I mentioned, their are WEB access proxies who provide very complete protection for you with almost no overhead locally. Give AVG a try. I ran it on a Centrino laptop with 256 just fine. Unlike Norton, you can actually uninstall it if it does not work out.
I have been putting Linux on old junk since Slackwre 1.0. Ubantu is a cakewalk. In the early days, MODEM drivers were an issue, but who cares now? Printers are hell no mater what you run. Video cards can be problematic as they tend to be the deal of the week.
I wanted the big ram as some of my applications generate large intermediate data files so I wish to avoid swap at all costs. 8 would have done fine, but the bundle with 16 was cheaper! I can carve out several VM's and not be shorted. ( Win 8, XP, Linux etc)
Cheaper machines used the on-board video which is find for business, but I had issues with it using some of the semi-pro data acquisition software on my current HP. Even at 2G, it is not a high end gaming card so I did not waste much money. Passmark on this is about 9800. ASUS boards seem to run pretty well where I don't know how, but DELL can make the same chipset run half as fast. The last computer game I played was Adventure. " You are looking at a set of twisty passages"
I was surprised, An i5 with 8 gig and on board video was only $50 less.
Old one is an AMD 2 core, 2 gig ddr2 XP, fully current. Passmark of about 1200. I have hacked the daylights out of the registry so it runns pretty well. Programs like GrooveMechanic and Gold wave are still painful. If I am doing a large iterative FFT in SPICE, I can go get a brew while it runs. Other than that, for a business PC or for WEB browsing. it is faster than the source. For just browsing the WEB and doing business, an i3 is a monster.
I have pretty current insight to the kinds of malicious attacks out there, so I am very careful about patches and protection. Even so, I have been hit. Seriouslly, one of the biggest problems is that about 40% of the computers in the world run no protection at all and over 60% do not have current patches. These systems are frequentlly the basis for the large BOTS. You can always run a cheap firewall appliance ( most routers) to manage your outgoing ports with no burden on your PC and as I mentioned, their are WEB access proxies who provide very complete protection for you with almost no overhead locally. Give AVG a try. I ran it on a Centrino laptop with 256 just fine. Unlike Norton, you can actually uninstall it if it does not work out.
I have been putting Linux on old junk since Slackwre 1.0. Ubantu is a cakewalk. In the early days, MODEM drivers were an issue, but who cares now? Printers are hell no mater what you run. Video cards can be problematic as they tend to be the deal of the week.
is this yer deal ? @$880
Newegg.com - ASUS M51AC-US004S Desktop PC Intel Core i7 4770 (3.40GHz) 16GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity Windows 8
NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 2GB $60
doesn't say what mother board
I'd be surprise if you can boot a SSD from PCIe bus from a generic H87
Newegg.com - ASUS M51AC-US004S Desktop PC Intel Core i7 4770 (3.40GHz) 16GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity Windows 8
NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 2GB $60
doesn't say what mother board
I'd be surprise if you can boot a SSD from PCIe bus from a generic H87
With a little searching, my to-door total was $810.
It is an Asus board. Which one I don't know. Booting from PCIe is supposed to be possible with Windows 7 and newer mother boards. That will take some research. NewEgg and Tiger let me down this time. I don't know much about forcing Windows to put what where. At least with UNIX , I told it what to put where. With IRIX, you cold even force it where on the disk. We used to use giant 9G disks and forced the data next to the map, so the heads never moved very far for data base servers. Used only half a gig per spindle. Blinding fast back in the day. How things have changed.
It is an Asus board. Which one I don't know. Booting from PCIe is supposed to be possible with Windows 7 and newer mother boards. That will take some research. NewEgg and Tiger let me down this time. I don't know much about forcing Windows to put what where. At least with UNIX , I told it what to put where. With IRIX, you cold even force it where on the disk. We used to use giant 9G disks and forced the data next to the map, so the heads never moved very far for data base servers. Used only half a gig per spindle. Blinding fast back in the day. How things have changed.
well buying OEM w/OS gets lower prices you cant get to with building yer own, but MB future support and bios flexibility are locked down, just one of the tradeoffs and isn't bad per se for most. how's the UEFI experience?
I only expect not DOA from Amazon. Buying an ASUS built system gives me a little comfort.
UEFI will be interesting. I have never had to deal with it. I guess step one is to see the BIOS config. I know from many blogs, it can be dealt with. Not as easy as just loading LILO as in the old days. I expect to spend some time before I am up and running.
UEFI will be interesting. I have never had to deal with it. I guess step one is to see the BIOS config. I know from many blogs, it can be dealt with. Not as easy as just loading LILO as in the old days. I expect to spend some time before I am up and running.
Is this normal CPU/RAM usage of a fresh install of windows of windows 7 x64-bit Home Premium with nothing but Skype/ running in the background? (is not showing in taskbar its in my icon tray arrow pointing up) *includes screenshot of my desktop*
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