smoking-amp said:
I really hate when that happens.. 😀 The giant ship eating octopus seemed to like my system ok, he didn't eat the house, and finally slithered (sort of) back to the nearby beach and hence to sea...
The points hurt.
If I ever claim that rubbing pickle juice on the heads of the mounting screws for the tube sockets in my preamp significantly and non-subtly improves the sound, I fully expect that I'll be the target of some humor, regardless of whether or not I'm right. And I promise that I will not act surprised, offended, and humorless when that occurs.
If I ever claim that rubbing pickle juice on the heads of the mounting screws for the tube sockets in my preamp significantly and non-subtly improves the sound, I fully expect that I'll be the target of some humor, regardless of whether or not I'm right. And I promise that I will not act surprised, offended, and humorless when that occurs.
Not necessarilly. I work in a building that used to be home to about 1000 engineers (about half have been laid off). There used to be exactly 3 of us (I am the only one left) that believed in the usefulness of vacuum tubes. Many of the other engineers would consider us "stupid" for considering "that old stuff." After all, why would you want to listen to an amp that made only a few watts at 1+% distortion when you could have a "1.21 gigawatt" wall shaker with .00001% distortion? The measurements don't lie, do they? We have been told for years to trust your measurement equipment. If you can't trust it, you just need to give Agilent some more money for better equipment.
An experiment is an experiment. Just about any experiment is valid to someone even if it is only the original experimentor. Obviously this experiment meant enough to someone for them to repeat it. You put it here. We can all choose to read it, ignore it, believe it, disbelieve it, and even repeat it if desired. I wouldn't expect anyone to repeat some of my microwave oven or defibrillator experiments, but they made sense to me, and some of my crazy friends.
Whenever any experiment takes place that challenges the accepted norm some criticism will occur. I catch plenty of flak any time I propose putting silicon in a tube amp. You should see some of the email that I got for the DSP enhanced tube amp.
"Next time beat them back with the PYRAMID."
The really BIG GUY who ate the 3-500Z looked like he was about to expire from in-digestion when he slogged back in the woods.
Don
The really BIG GUY who ate the 3-500Z looked like he was about to expire from in-digestion when he slogged back in the woods.
Don
smoking-amp said:
No, I b'lieve that's quite a good reception. You should see how they react to solid-state...
w
Piercarlo's idea is similar to the "Groundside Electrons" discussed on http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102180&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4
Just connecting a conducting object to an earth changes the sound. I hope there is something in this, as breakthroughs in audio are rare these days.
Just connecting a conducting object to an earth changes the sound. I hope there is something in this, as breakthroughs in audio are rare these days.
What is a stupid goes-nowhere experiment whose outcome is obvious to a mere imbecile?
You guys obviously haven't wasted the time that it takes to study the "run your car on water" over unity, free energy crowd yet. All of the "inventors" have been killed off by the evil oil companies. I saw it on CNN so it must be true! We all KNOW that this IS absurd. The first law of thermodynamics hasn't been repealed yet.
I had nothing better to do while sitting in the waiting room at a hospital so I started following some of the links. There is a lot of science so bad that it IS funny, but then I started finding links to real science by reputable people, NASA, the Air Force, MIT. There are some real controlled experiments with positive results (no over unity claims). Absurd?
OK, do I need to try some of this stuff myself? How else will I KNOW if a "Electrolyzer" will improve my gas mileage? If I put a magnetron from a microwave oven in my intake manifold and documented better gas mileage, is it a valid experiment, even if it is absurd? Would I be justified in reporting on it in an automotive forum? Would I be laughed at? Would you want to repeat it? Would there be a request to close the thread? After all NASA, the Air Force, and MIT have all declared tubes obsolete. Why are we here?
For the record I do NOT have any Shakti stones on my transformers, my speaker wire came from WalMart, and my power cords were "borrowed" from old test equipment. I know people with expensive power cords, speaker wire, interconnects, and cryo treated tubes. I find much of this stuff absurd, but I will read about and laugh. Others will read and buy. I don't plan to put any unheated tubes in my CD player either, although filling my previously mentioned computer speakers FULL of unheated tubes may improve the sound. Should I ground them?
True enough, but you have yet to dunk a Simple SE into
a fishtank of Flourinert and report the aesthetic results.
a fishtank of Flourinert and report the aesthetic results.
The change in internal volume may swamp the effect of grounding, but who knows? 🙂tubelab.com said:
They took all of the Flourinert away from us at work. Most other cool chemicals too. We don't even have liquid nitrogen anymore. 🙁
Besides anyone who "knows" would use a fishtank full of pure mineral oil!
tubelab.com said:
nice post tubelab
as always, i enjoy reading JB articles
and i am not the only one 😉
But speaker wires from wallmart
and some dusty power cords
- allow me to laugh a bit 😀
seems to me you are into some diy home audio and not into space tech
but
when i think about it - i do not really know what is good & sound audio
but in my book it is definitely
neither ***Magical Mystery Tour (*** One The Beatles song & record)
be it
- cryo treatment,
- wires with pure silk on
- transistors who can memorize distortion
- audiophile resistance passives
or
- some non electronical object put inside or outside your circuits
... like this funny tube addon
everything in an audio chain including power suppply
should have a function,
this function can be active or passive,
otherwise it plays no role
all other things are for yours and mine minds
for cosmetics look or for biasing your preception of objects and sounds
so, my bottomline:
😎 Our Audio Community - Creative & Good Diy Audio Projects by Lineup & Friends 😎
Lineup - Sweden August 2008
Sy:
No, I didn't and I am not inclined to do so. I hate pickles.
Anyway, I guess I have made my point yesterday, so I am definitively out of this thread. The weather is turning pretty nice, this calls for some motorbike touring. Together with my wife 🙂
No, I didn't and I am not inclined to do so. I hate pickles.
Anyway, I guess I have made my point yesterday, so I am definitively out of this thread. The weather is turning pretty nice, this calls for some motorbike touring. Together with my wife 🙂
Me think this thread is much more enlighting than those battling about the "best" tube or the "best" cap or even the "best" cable.
More plz !
Yves.
More plz !
Yves.
SY said:
Ok, but in a world where magazine SERIOUSLY test cables that, more than of effect due to their parasitics, don't play any different task as being just interconnection means, why a proposed experiment with tubes or with pickles, if well described, should be more "imbecile" than others? Because it appear to someone just a "non-sense"? Sorry but if that appeared a non-sense to me also, I've had never proposed at all.
If I do it is because it don't appear to me as "non-sense" for the same reason - THE SAME - that don't appear to me a "non-sense" a lightning rod dressed on the roof of a build. Or don't appear a nonsense an antenna, or a working phone-cell or a domestic receiver. I know that exist something called "electric field" ("electromagnetic field" for radio-receivers) which acts its effect on its surrounds even if I can't see it directly.
Pheraps if instead of say "'I've connected a tube to ground", I've told just "I've connected some metal plates to ground" people had would react different but the fact acted in either situation, IS EXACTLY THE SAME. Halting on words instead of the mean of the word (or the stuation or the real things where words point to) is not "skeptikism" but plain obtusity. Imho, at least.
Would you try an other experiments for testing not "phenomenon" but the attitude of catching the essence of phenomena?
I tell: "All forms of energies transmitted by any kind of electrical means (included radio broadcasting) are, in their ultimate effect, essentially quantity of motion, in the exact newtonian sense of the definition (mass times speed)".
A non sense, of course... or not? I stand waiting for replies... included the probable rain of "stupid", "silled" and so on.
Piercarlo
Keeping an open mind
The problem here is that it is very difficult to replicate the "original' test conditions.
TIMPERT may have conducted a fairly rigorous experiment which produced no discernable results except nothing. ( EDIT :- perhaps his later experiments with the over-sized pickle were more enjoyable ! )
But he did not use the same equipment as PIERCARLO so in that sense the experiment was invalid.
Is this experiment not too dissimilar to using a copper-plated, steel chassis (as per Marantz) or a grounded RF screen covering the whole pcb or DIY spray-on elecrostatic coating ??
Do not some "experts" propose the use of individual self-adhesive copper screening for chips in CD players?
Just because it uses a single tube with all pins grounded, does not mean it is invalid.
Andy
The problem here is that it is very difficult to replicate the "original' test conditions.
TIMPERT may have conducted a fairly rigorous experiment which produced no discernable results except nothing. ( EDIT :- perhaps his later experiments with the over-sized pickle were more enjoyable ! )
But he did not use the same equipment as PIERCARLO so in that sense the experiment was invalid.
Is this experiment not too dissimilar to using a copper-plated, steel chassis (as per Marantz) or a grounded RF screen covering the whole pcb or DIY spray-on elecrostatic coating ??
Do not some "experts" propose the use of individual self-adhesive copper screening for chips in CD players?
Just because it uses a single tube with all pins grounded, does not mean it is invalid.
Andy
OP, thanx for the post, it was a fun read. I'll ask the 'tube gods' if they had something to do with it after my next tube sacrifice 🙂
btw, some have liked the sound of our tube processor in the chain when powered off.
To the husband and wife team that duplicated and tested, thanx and well put.
Ian
btw, some have liked the sound of our tube processor in the chain when powered off.
To the husband and wife team that duplicated and tested, thanx and well put.
Ian
Re: Keeping an open mind
Just a teaser !
How far from Giancarlo and Timpert houses is the nearest hi power broadcast transimtter and at wich power/frequency does it operate ?
Yves. 😎
poynton said:
Just a teaser !
How far from Giancarlo and Timpert houses is the nearest hi power broadcast transimtter and at wich power/frequency does it operate ?
Yves. 😎
I could tell from the start this was going to be an entertaining thread. Cheers everyone 
and keep up the experimenting no matter how ludicrous a suggestion. You never know, we may stumble upon the next big discovery!
Leigh
and keep up the experimenting no matter how ludicrous a suggestion. You never know, we may stumble upon the next big discovery!Leigh
fredex said:
That was exactly my thot when i read his 1st post. I have heard an effect -- with a clear there/not there phenomenom -- on a loudspeaker, so even as silly as the whole idea seems i think there is something here.
It should also be noted that the idea is not new -- there is a reason why many, many vintage European loudspeakers (and modern Tannoys) have a separate terminal to ground the chassis (which then acts as a groundside electron pool).
Why? No one really knows.
It does seem to have more effect on cheaper kit, and has no effect on a device with a poured ground plane.
dave
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