737 Max

[billshurv]

Why does that matter? I can't think anything commercial currently in the air doesn't have FADEC so you lose the engines anyway.

 

[davidsrsb]

I remember back when the Comet fuselage got widened to accommodate the AEW computers. Right at the end they demonstrated everything working beautifully in a Hercules, but a civil servant was determined to save money by using the mothballed Comets

 

[jan.didden]

You clearly have no idea how the decision process in a political/military/industrial environment works. That's OK but it also means that your opinion is just that. No offense intended.

Jan

 

[jan.didden]

Why does that matter? I can't think anything commercial currently in the air doesn't have FADEC so you lose the engines anyway.

Which is in these times also the case with car engines.

If you push the throttle, all that does is send a torque request to the ECU. Everything after that is out of your control.

Jan

 

[billshurv]

decision process in a political/military/industrial environment works.

Jan

Possibly best that as few people as possible realise how horrendous the reality of it can be!

 

[billshurv]

I should also mention a fondness I have for clockwork project cars 🙂

 

[billshurv]

Not 737Max related, but as people with an interest in planes follow this thread I think the balls of steel award of the day goes to this pilot


Aeronews - CROSSWIND LANDING / Airbus #A380 Etihad Airways... | Facebook


I know they train for this, but that looked like a pretty hairy touch down! Hats off to the flight crew.

 

[Charles Darwin]

Geezuz H. Christ on a Moped!!!

 

[6L6]

That’s how it’s done.

 

[Stuey]

I spent an hour and a half looking at landings like that on Youtube once after stumbling on a similar video and then following the automatic suggestions. Worth a look! There were a few A380's in a similar attitude - I think one was even at Heathrow.

 

[Stuey]

Tell me about it; I've just spent all weekend trying to resolve a canbus error on my nephew's Ford Focus. The instrument cluster is an integral part of the bus and contains an IC that commonly breaks communications with the remainder of the car throwing random codes and preventing startup by setting the immobiliser. If there's no communication with the instruments IC the car won't start. I've resoldered the instrument cluster PCB (a common problem is dry joints) but no joy. Hours of testing wasted...Uncle Stuey didn't come through this time.

Which is in these times also the case with car engines.

If you push the throttle, all that does is send a torque request to the ECU. Everything after that is out of your control.

Jan

 

[mountainman bob]

I just had to go to a local marina to look at/quote damages caused to another boat from my buddies 45’ Viking when the port side V692 (650HP each!) ECU decided to go full throttle when leaving the dock sending him straight into a fancy trawler of a transient couple.

Electronics just don’t belong in some places.......oh yah, replacement ECU/throttle solenoid parts $3500! Damages to other boat $8500. chances of happening with a old school throttle cable? Slim to none!

 

[jfetter]

Can't imagine what could go wrong..

 

[Bonsai]

Another nice crosswind landing - this one from Bristol airport in the UK

The pilot was a lady BTW who matter of factly said 'oh, we train for these sorts of things' 😀


youtube TUI cross wind landing - Bing video

 

[billshurv]

. chances of happening with a old school throttle cable? Slim to none!

I've had a throttle cable stick. But that was single return spring. For track use a double spring is required in the UK.



More to the point why does your buddy need a 1300HP boat? Other than he can?

 

[billshurv]

That’s how it’s done.

Agreed (and I have assumed Otto wasn't landing even if he is programmed for those conditions). The bit that I was having trouble getting my head around is that you have a leviathan of up to 300 Tonnes with a landing speed of IIRO 130knots. We had winds of 60+mph on saturday so ground speed could be as low as 80knots. Various perspectives are distorted by the long lens but that plane looked to be crabbed by about 30 degrees on touch down at which point it swings back straight fairly swiftly without bursting half the tyres or ripping off any landing gear.



Still much admiration for the Engineers who made it all to withstand that again and again and the pilots for the skill to make it look like just another day in the office. I just don't have the right stuff to comprehend how a landing like that could be anything but a brown trouser moment.



Then again I flew into St Louis once in horrendous winds and the pilot had the biggest grin as he saw us off. He obviously had enjoyed it.

 

[mountainman bob]

Well there the fact that it weighs nearly 40,000 lbs and that’s what it takes to cruise 30knts

My old boat had twin cats with 700hp total.....it could only cruise 20knts, when your traveling 100 miles offshore 3+ hrs is a heck of a lot faster than 5+ hrs to get there!

And besides another feller I fish with has a 45 Cabo w/v10 Mann’s 1100hp each!
It cruises in the low 40’s.

All depends on how fast you wanna get there, and how much you wanna spend to do it.😀

 

[billshurv]

Would seem a sea plane would be a better way to get out 100 miles quickly.



Fishing in UK means wandering down to the local river/lake and being bored for 10 hours. Big fish get given names and anglers go into mourning when they die.

Biggest British carp - a massive 83 lb - is found dead
Ashford anglers mourn death of giant carp 'Two Tone' - BBC News
Makes no sense to me.

 

[Refugee1]

Here is an even more bumpy landing by a four engine plane.
They looked like they were coping better in the videos linked to so far but this one looks vary bumpy.
Storm Dennis: Heathrow plane lands almost sideways in fierce crosswinds | The Independent

 

[Stuey]

It's a bit hard to fish from a sea plane, Bill!