A challenge for those whose spatial imagination is better than mine.
I would like to build two tapped Horn subs with these approximate dimensions. This is for HT use. Would like < 20hz response with an 80hz xover. Cabinet impedance needs to be no less than 4 ohms. Will be driving them with an Emotiva XPA-2, one cabinet on each channel (300 WPC at 8 ohms, 500 WPC at 4 ohms).
My form factor criteria is that it needs to be more or less 2' square by 4' in the other dimension. If one were to cut a TH-Spud, and fold it in half that would be about the right size. The mouth should be near one of the ends on a long side.
The driver compliment is less important, I currently have 2 CSS Trio 8" drivers that performed well in my TH-Spud prototype. (BTW, that cabinet is free to a good home, pickup near Ft. Lauderdale Fl.) I also have 2 Titanic 10" drivers. I am willing to purchase additional or different drivers that would be < $400 per cabinet.
The main problem I see is folding the horn in 3D, as most builds I see are folded in one dimension only. If anyone has a successful HT - TH that could be refolded to meet these criteria, let's see what we can come up with.
At 364 liters the volume should be OK, I am having a hard time visualizing how the folding might work.
As always, smaller dimensions are acceptable.
Paul
I would like to build two tapped Horn subs with these approximate dimensions. This is for HT use. Would like < 20hz response with an 80hz xover. Cabinet impedance needs to be no less than 4 ohms. Will be driving them with an Emotiva XPA-2, one cabinet on each channel (300 WPC at 8 ohms, 500 WPC at 4 ohms).
My form factor criteria is that it needs to be more or less 2' square by 4' in the other dimension. If one were to cut a TH-Spud, and fold it in half that would be about the right size. The mouth should be near one of the ends on a long side.
The driver compliment is less important, I currently have 2 CSS Trio 8" drivers that performed well in my TH-Spud prototype. (BTW, that cabinet is free to a good home, pickup near Ft. Lauderdale Fl.) I also have 2 Titanic 10" drivers. I am willing to purchase additional or different drivers that would be < $400 per cabinet.
The main problem I see is folding the horn in 3D, as most builds I see are folded in one dimension only. If anyone has a successful HT - TH that could be refolded to meet these criteria, let's see what we can come up with.
At 364 liters the volume should be OK, I am having a hard time visualizing how the folding might work.
As always, smaller dimensions are acceptable.
Paul
That's likely possible using the type of folding I used in my POC tapped-pipe. See The Subwoofer DIY Page v1.1 - Projects : A "Proof of Concept" tapped pipe** - introduction . The paper can be varied by adjusting the internal panels.
TH-THSPUD folded
Hi aceinc,
Your standard TH-SPUD is just about a shoe-in for that format.
Regards,
Hi aceinc,
Your standard TH-SPUD is just about a shoe-in for that format.
Regards,
hmmm how did your spud design come about? I saved the schematics I found sometime ago from the "leaked th spud" thread and the design look completely different. Are they equivalent?
He just split it half way up, and folded it over on itself. It look like he may have fixed the error in the old plans as well.
Looking at the original the sound leaves the driver, and goes up. At the halfway point here the path ends, and moves though the back wall of the plans to where the top half is now bent over, and going back down. Imagin the paper plans folded in half through the horizontal center line. It follows along the same path on the back side until it gets to the top left corner where it jumps back to the front side of the plans, and continues to the right towards the back side of the drivers.
It should work out alright.
Looking at the original the sound leaves the driver, and goes up. At the halfway point here the path ends, and moves though the back wall of the plans to where the top half is now bent over, and going back down. Imagin the paper plans folded in half through the horizontal center line. It follows along the same path on the back side until it gets to the top left corner where it jumps back to the front side of the plans, and continues to the right towards the back side of the drivers.
It should work out alright.
Oliver, I like the looks of that design. Has anyone built it?
If so, is there a build thread, or more details anywhere?
I don't know if cross posting is allowed here but I have a build thread for my TH-SPUD over on Hometheatershack.com. It actually came out OK, considering I modified it slightly to make it easier to build, and used CSS Trio-8 drivers. I was driving it with a NAD 2200 PE amp. It would probably sound better now that I have a Emotiva XPA-2 providing power to my subs.
If so, is there a build thread, or more details anywhere?
I don't know if cross posting is allowed here but I have a build thread for my TH-SPUD over on Hometheatershack.com. It actually came out OK, considering I modified it slightly to make it easier to build, and used CSS Trio-8 drivers. I was driving it with a NAD 2200 PE amp. It would probably sound better now that I have a Emotiva XPA-2 providing power to my subs.
Oliver, the only thing that I see that might be problematic with this design is it seems to shorten the run from the speakers to the first bend.
Of course you may have already thought of that and compensated by making the cabinet an inch or so longer in which case never mind.
Thanks for the clear description, soho, I pulled out my design for the TH-SPUD I built and between Oliver's drawing and your explanation it makes sense. I could probably wing it with this, but if there is a more complete set of dimensioned plans, it would be great.
Paul
Of course you may have already thought of that and compensated by making the cabinet an inch or so longer in which case never mind.
Thanks for the clear description, soho, I pulled out my design for the TH-SPUD I built and between Oliver's drawing and your explanation it makes sense. I could probably wing it with this, but if there is a more complete set of dimensioned plans, it would be great.
Paul
Folded Spud.
Hi aceinc,
Sorry to say, that's just one of my doodles. At the time I was looking for the same general form factor. I haven't put any numbers to this, but would think that it should duplicate the performance of the TH-SPUD just fine.
I remember your post from the shack, and don't think you would have any problems building this one. By the way, your change of the driver mounting, and associated tapers is probably more significant than a small change in L23. Folding the box also changes the taper in front of the S4 section, I think for the better.
I always thought it would be interesting to compare an "original" SPUD to a modified one, e.g.: with about half the volume, but, I'll have to leave that experiment to someone else. Would make for a much smaller box though.
Regards,
Hi aceinc,
Sorry to say, that's just one of my doodles. At the time I was looking for the same general form factor. I haven't put any numbers to this, but would think that it should duplicate the performance of the TH-SPUD just fine.
I remember your post from the shack, and don't think you would have any problems building this one. By the way, your change of the driver mounting, and associated tapers is probably more significant than a small change in L23. Folding the box also changes the taper in front of the S4 section, I think for the better.
I always thought it would be interesting to compare an "original" SPUD to a modified one, e.g.: with about half the volume, but, I'll have to leave that experiment to someone else. Would make for a much smaller box though.
Regards,
Oliver, I recently had a chance to sit on a couch on a pair of real TH-SPUDs for a short demo. It was pretty impressive.
I think CSS has discontinued the Trio-8s, so I would need to find another pair of 8" drivers. The Tang Band seems to be 4 ohm which would yield either an 8 or 2 ohm cabinet, I would prefer a 4 ohm cabinet.
It's a shame you didn't move forward on that design, it looks promising.
I think CSS has discontinued the Trio-8s, so I would need to find another pair of 8" drivers. The Tang Band seems to be 4 ohm which would yield either an 8 or 2 ohm cabinet, I would prefer a 4 ohm cabinet.
It's a shame you didn't move forward on that design, it looks promising.
You just power each one on a separate amp channel for stereo 4ohm, or build two and get 4ohm. 😀
Hi Y'all,
The CSS website still lists the Trio 8. Another way to get there is with a quad of MCM 55-2421s, the original SPUD box dimensions should work, obviously you could tweak it in Hornresp.
Regards,
The CSS website still lists the Trio 8. Another way to get there is with a quad of MCM 55-2421s, the original SPUD box dimensions should work, obviously you could tweak it in Hornresp.
Regards,
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I wanted to build two units, each one run off of an amplifier that is good to 4 ohms.
I looked here, Creative Sound - Speakers and Parts Product List and did not see the TRIO-8. Where did you see it?
Paul
I looked here, Creative Sound - Speakers and Parts Product List and did not see the TRIO-8. Where did you see it?
Paul
CSS Trio 8
Hi Paul,
It's on their front page, about in the middle of the page:
Creative Sound Solutions - Loudspeakers, Parts and DIY Speaker Kits
But, it is not listed on the products page anymore. I'd call 'em.
Regards,
Hi Paul,
It's on their front page, about in the middle of the page:
Creative Sound Solutions - Loudspeakers, Parts and DIY Speaker Kits
But, it is not listed on the products page anymore. I'd call 'em.
Regards,
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