1.5 way crossover question

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I think there might be a little confusion here. The purpose of a X.5 way is to reduce the mid and high out put from one of the two drivers.

A normal X.5 way is with the drivers in parallel with one of them having a coil in series and perhaps a shunting cap.

In a series crossover if you run a coil on one side to ensure the high end cut off of one of the drivers you have to put a resistor on the other side or you'll have a short. If you add the cap instead of a resistor, you've just made a normal series XO that divides between a woofer and tweeter and there'd be no point in using two of the same driver. You'd be losing the low end of that driver which effectively defeats the purpose.
 
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I can't see why you want the cap in there. The idea of the 1.5 is to increase the bass.

The cap shunts hi-frequencies past the associated driver. To act as BSC one needs to use a current amp. With a voltage amp the increase in efficiency is countered by a factor of 2 decrease of power, so there is no lift.

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So something like this
Obbligato Film Oil Capacitors homepage

I'd be using the poly caps. A "cheap" Solen with a higher quality bypass cap would be suggested.

I read that it can help with discharge if you put a low value cap in front of a large value cap, dunno how true this is

Since you are passing AC there is not much charge build-up.

dave
 
I'd be using the poly caps. A "cheap" Solen with a higher quality bypass cap would be suggested.

dave

Just realised that using air core would mean a massive coil! I havent the space in the base of the speaker and it wd add a third to the weight of the cab.

Torn between the Erse Super Q magnetic core and using caps in the way you suggested. The coil wd be a simple solution but still heavy, the caps wd keep the weight down ie Pulse X with a v low value Mundorf silver oil
 
If you wire 2 drivers in series, you use a shunt cap on one driver to cut its HF. One requires a current amp to get the power increase needed to get typical baffle step compensation. (ie with a (true) voltage amp you only achieve double the cone area at low frequencies, no gain in sensitivity)

dave

Hi dave, I'm sorry this is an old post. I'm having trouble understanding why there's no baffle step compensation if one driver really does have the highs rolled off, in a series connection with a cap on one driver. Wouldn't there be less highs then overall? I wouldn't bring it up, but this would work out well in my project if I could get the BSC this way. Thank you!
 
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Have a look here — i am working on a revision of this document with this, the existing 4 driver, with added information as developed in the 3-driver wiring.

http://www.planet10-hifi.com/downloads/Dual-Driver-Wiring.pdf

In short, with a voltage amp, one gains 3dB due to the doubling of the drivers, but -3dB in power being delivered so the net is zero.

So at higher frequncies you are delivering N Watts, at LF you only have N/2 Watts.

dave
 
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I don't get it. Why does the value of the cap matter, if there is no change in the frequency response?

The size of the cap in this config is not overly critical, its choice needs to be made to suit the application and needs to be large enuff that the LF driver does not come in until the driver centre-centre is less than a quarter wavelength.

Other consideartions could be box width and cap cost (you dont want a cheap bi-polar).

A zobel is a C in series with an R to flatten th eimpedance at high frequencies (for XO development, or sometimes to make the amp happier).

dave
 
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