AI, for or against?
I'm one of those who thinks AI should be reserved for important things, like research, basic research, medicine, etc.
Any other use, often futile and out of laziness, drives me crazy!
And what about "images" generated by AI? It's unbearable. For me, who loves photography in general (as someone who looks at things, not takes them), everything in an AI photo is disgusting and disgusting.
I see more and more people using AI to try to troubleshoot or modify one of their devices. I think it's even worse than anything. It's literally separating the head and the hands, and generally, when you separate these two, it doesn't go very well (referring to the headless chicken running around).
This is a DIY forum, I mean, the answer is in the title... and also a place for mutual support and LEARNING, and I'd rather not see this AI thing here. Even for fun, it's an insult to human intelligence and its hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
I also think that human beings are lazy by nature and will always take the easy way out rather than the hard work, even if the latter allows us to grow and learn.
As proof, relatively speaking, I have people who no longer know how to park their car without assistance, and worse, those who don't know how to park it with assistance.
The "Method" and the "gesture" are things that have been lost for years. AI is accelerating this phenomenon, and I would like it to be banned from this place.
I would like to know what you think.
I'm one of those who thinks AI should be reserved for important things, like research, basic research, medicine, etc.
Any other use, often futile and out of laziness, drives me crazy!
And what about "images" generated by AI? It's unbearable. For me, who loves photography in general (as someone who looks at things, not takes them), everything in an AI photo is disgusting and disgusting.
I see more and more people using AI to try to troubleshoot or modify one of their devices. I think it's even worse than anything. It's literally separating the head and the hands, and generally, when you separate these two, it doesn't go very well (referring to the headless chicken running around).
This is a DIY forum, I mean, the answer is in the title... and also a place for mutual support and LEARNING, and I'd rather not see this AI thing here. Even for fun, it's an insult to human intelligence and its hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
I also think that human beings are lazy by nature and will always take the easy way out rather than the hard work, even if the latter allows us to grow and learn.
As proof, relatively speaking, I have people who no longer know how to park their car without assistance, and worse, those who don't know how to park it with assistance.
The "Method" and the "gesture" are things that have been lost for years. AI is accelerating this phenomenon, and I would like it to be banned from this place.
I would like to know what you think.
Your probably are asking THE GREATEST question that is facing the human race NOW
I must admit I don't know how to park a car at all; I haven't got one, so I never need to park it.
In any case, how is this different from people simulating noise instead of doing some noise transformations on the back of an envelope, or simulating RIAA conformance of a phono amplifier instead of filling several pages of paper with equations to calculate it themselves?
I think the main issues with AI at the moment are the excessive energy usage of generative AI and the human tendency to take the output of AI systems too seriously. How it will develop in the long run, I don't know.
I also think that human beings are lazy by nature and will always take the easy way out rather than the hard work, even if the latter allows us to grow and learn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Then what is the point? Your first post is all about AI stimulating laziness, like simulators have done for years.
Edit: the same applies to a lesser extent to spreadsheets, calculators and slide rules, of course.
Edit: the same applies to a lesser extent to spreadsheets, calculators and slide rules, of course.
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Let's compare like with like,try making your shopping list with a simulator, you'll spend more time setting it up than actually making your list.
AI has nothing to do with that, it's so much more accessible to ordinary people and so much easier.
Copilot, chat gpt and others have already adequately trained themselves on the content in diyaudio.com. I use it regularly and its answers frequently list diyaudio as the source for its deductive/inductive reasoning for its answer. I think we just have to wait and in time there will be no need for diyaudio.com to stand up its own AI search/answering tool. Let the big guys with data centers do it for us!
Probably the same aversion I feel when I am calling a company and fail to get a living person on the line. Or giant tablets in stores for ordering with the camouflaged intention to have as least cheapest possible personel as possible (so your kid not being able to find a small job in such companies). It is all automated laziness and reduction of costs so the grey share holders have more money. The fine nuances on quality and how to do things the best possible ways are often lost too. The art of creativity so to speak. It enhances the number game too. Extremely high tuned designs not having a connection with the real world of playing back 20 ...20 kHz.
See it from the other side: you never needed imbecile software tools to find your path. You learned to rely on your brain and skills and allowed yourself to learn from your own mistakes. "Will do that better next time". No machine no IT solution can make up for that and those that need that are simply weaker.
I found myself recently in such an AI assisted challenge. It is terrible and for me absolutely not a challenge to be busy with. It does not serve my needs and "purpose" on a hobby forum either as it is unrewarding. I think I am not exaggerating when I say I put a lot of time in solving others technical issues both here and in the real world, the human interaction and all its possible errors is what makes that interesting not playing chess with a computer.
Besides that AI is just like the cloud presented to the public as nice tools but behind it the military purposes are the driving force.
See it from the other side: you never needed imbecile software tools to find your path. You learned to rely on your brain and skills and allowed yourself to learn from your own mistakes. "Will do that better next time". No machine no IT solution can make up for that and those that need that are simply weaker.
I found myself recently in such an AI assisted challenge. It is terrible and for me absolutely not a challenge to be busy with. It does not serve my needs and "purpose" on a hobby forum either as it is unrewarding. I think I am not exaggerating when I say I put a lot of time in solving others technical issues both here and in the real world, the human interaction and all its possible errors is what makes that interesting not playing chess with a computer.
Besides that AI is just like the cloud presented to the public as nice tools but behind it the military purposes are the driving force.
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Truth is, we cannot stop progress unless some nuclear holocaust which wipes out all compute, lets hope it never happens as it would be about the worst possible scenario. AI could also mean good things, abundance, consider all problems solved at some point, what ever that means and from which perspective. I mean, AI in general is today at it's worst but it gets better and better every day.
AI causes lots of emotion of course, one could utilize it or not, it's a choice. Better try to keep up somehow if one wants to remain competitive to get salary, or to prevent company go bankcrupt. Or, hopefully one is good at investing or self sufficient so that income in form of salary isn't necessary.
At some point AI surpass all human intelligence simply because it scales very differently, so makes ~all knowledge / thought work and digital content price go toward zero. Soon even human robots kick in and I can imagine it doesn't take too many years when manual labor is also replaced. At this point in time it's not there yet, for example on this forum most of the topics are beyond current AI capabilities.
In the future where this happens people can still do thinking and creative work, art, manual work, because it's fun and feels important, although at some point AI and robotics will do it faster and better and cheaper which means economic incentives change a lot. Not sure if societies can keep up with the pace, surely there is gonna be rebellion like with any rapid change, not sure how this all is gonna be tackled and handled.
Currently we are in transition phase, and like any change people will resist. Some will get incredible opportunity with it from smart investments or just with huge leverage in competition, one human + army of AI agents can do work worth of small company. Soon enough entire new economy between AI agents emerge using crypto payment rails, just wait until us all have personal AI agent on our mobile doing things for us. Talk about change.
Looking beyond just this forum but the society as a whole: Unfortunately all this means lots of unemployment but it could also mean unbelievable amount of goodness and abundance, so the ball is on the society, the governments. Let's hope governments can keep up with the pace and do good for the people not for the elite, so that societies don't fall into chaos. Although, chaos is what they seem to be after at least here in EU, unbelievable stuff, driving things toward dystopia. To me large majority of politicians seem completely blind to this development at the moment, either they are brainwashed or dumb, or it's all intentional, most likely all of these combined. Well, I think it's good some kind of discussion arises somewhere, like here on this forum. I surely hope for bright future, although it seems grim at times.
AI causes lots of emotion of course, one could utilize it or not, it's a choice. Better try to keep up somehow if one wants to remain competitive to get salary, or to prevent company go bankcrupt. Or, hopefully one is good at investing or self sufficient so that income in form of salary isn't necessary.
At some point AI surpass all human intelligence simply because it scales very differently, so makes ~all knowledge / thought work and digital content price go toward zero. Soon even human robots kick in and I can imagine it doesn't take too many years when manual labor is also replaced. At this point in time it's not there yet, for example on this forum most of the topics are beyond current AI capabilities.
In the future where this happens people can still do thinking and creative work, art, manual work, because it's fun and feels important, although at some point AI and robotics will do it faster and better and cheaper which means economic incentives change a lot. Not sure if societies can keep up with the pace, surely there is gonna be rebellion like with any rapid change, not sure how this all is gonna be tackled and handled.
Currently we are in transition phase, and like any change people will resist. Some will get incredible opportunity with it from smart investments or just with huge leverage in competition, one human + army of AI agents can do work worth of small company. Soon enough entire new economy between AI agents emerge using crypto payment rails, just wait until us all have personal AI agent on our mobile doing things for us. Talk about change.
Looking beyond just this forum but the society as a whole: Unfortunately all this means lots of unemployment but it could also mean unbelievable amount of goodness and abundance, so the ball is on the society, the governments. Let's hope governments can keep up with the pace and do good for the people not for the elite, so that societies don't fall into chaos. Although, chaos is what they seem to be after at least here in EU, unbelievable stuff, driving things toward dystopia. To me large majority of politicians seem completely blind to this development at the moment, either they are brainwashed or dumb, or it's all intentional, most likely all of these combined. Well, I think it's good some kind of discussion arises somewhere, like here on this forum. I surely hope for bright future, although it seems grim at times.
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When in doubt about personal skills just look at the Romans. Their creativity and ingenuity is inspiring even today. One needs tools to create things a relatively efficient way. Today we start to allow the tool to dictate the way of creating, that is IMHO a questionable thing as many new designs are far from beautiful or practical. As an exercise I regularly force myself to create something with only hand tools just to again appreciate automated tools. I translate my skills to a machine so to speak. I am in control, not the automated tool and certainly most definitely not the software by software boys that adapt reality to their software. The mistakes made are irrelevant, they will only inspire to do it better and improve skills. Only age and disabilities are something that may obstruct that.
Your own ingenuity, skills and adaptability can save you in worse times, not AI. AI will likely be used to kill the nice clean way. No dirty hands!
Your own ingenuity, skills and adaptability can save you in worse times, not AI. AI will likely be used to kill the nice clean way. No dirty hands!
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AI is already commonly accepted in several fields.
Has anyone done a google search? It's AI. Anyone watched youtube videos and had a look at other suggested videos? It's AI. Advertising on the web? It's AI.
The only thing that is different now is the optimized user interface and the easy access to it.
AI with those interfaces is optimized to make the user happy - nothing more.
But the interesting (dangerous?) areas for AI are those where you do not even realize it.
Has anyone done a google search? It's AI. Anyone watched youtube videos and had a look at other suggested videos? It's AI. Advertising on the web? It's AI.
The only thing that is different now is the optimized user interface and the easy access to it.
AI with those interfaces is optimized to make the user happy - nothing more.
But the interesting (dangerous?) areas for AI are those where you do not even realize it.
Ever tried chat gpt?
It tries to make its output seem a conversation.
"Human like interface" to make humans happy.
Edit: just have a look at those AI generated 3-way loudspeaker concepts that pop up here on diyaudio.
Years ago, when I still had an account at the ABN bank, I found out by chance that you can get a real human on the line by shouting some swear words into the telephone at the top of your lungs.
- The use of AI in surveillance. Real time analysis of camera, sound and text, think what the Stasi would have done with it.
- Where the user thinks the AI is god and refuses to engage with you because 'well, sir, the system says...'.
- AI generated porn. Particularly the stuff that's illegal if it involves living beings.
But the genie is out of the bottle. There's no calling it back...
Look at the genius that made electric cars big, sends green rockets to mars and poops out satellites to have internet coverage everywhere (already being used in a war). Just suppose he puts his financial power in AI aided defense for his new masters.
It all depends who is in control of AI. Let's guess. Who is in control of the Internet? Who is in control of the Cloud? Who is in control in every possible conflict on this globe? Who eavesdrops every possible connection of every possible communication? Who exports most weaponry? Who earns money from others going to war? Either one of those will be likely also in control of AI.
It all depends who is in control of AI. Let's guess. Who is in control of the Internet? Who is in control of the Cloud? Who is in control in every possible conflict on this globe? Who eavesdrops every possible connection of every possible communication? Who exports most weaponry? Who earns money from others going to war? Either one of those will be likely also in control of AI.
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The EU is at least trying to come up with some sort of policy, unlike the USA (with the present as well as the previous government).
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topi...t-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence
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