Hi!
I would like to build a (small) 2-Way-Speaker from a proven Design.
I choose the Revelator Woofer because I would like to listen a bit more an the "beautiful side" - and prefare actually Classical Music.
I only got a small room 3,5 x 4,5m and its not a dedicated listening room 🙁
Listening distance is small 1m or 2,2m
The Speaks will stand right in front of the backing wall.
My question(s):
What size of woofer should I choose: W15 oder W18?
(I would prefare w15 because I would expect it has enough bass for me but delivers a finer midrange)
Which are your favorate designs for the SS woofer?
(I live in Deutschland - the American Designs, for example from Meniscus are complicated/expenive to order for me)
Thanks and bye
Rundalf
I would like to build a (small) 2-Way-Speaker from a proven Design.
I choose the Revelator Woofer because I would like to listen a bit more an the "beautiful side" - and prefare actually Classical Music.
I only got a small room 3,5 x 4,5m and its not a dedicated listening room 🙁
Listening distance is small 1m or 2,2m
The Speaks will stand right in front of the backing wall.
My question(s):
What size of woofer should I choose: W15 oder W18?
(I would prefare w15 because I would expect it has enough bass for me but delivers a finer midrange)
Which are your favorate designs for the SS woofer?
(I live in Deutschland - the American Designs, for example from Meniscus are complicated/expenive to order for me)
Thanks and bye
Rundalf
Rundalf,
What amplifier are you planning to use?
And by Classical Music, what exactly? For example full scale large orchestral pieces would possibly play with more dynamic range and loudness with larger speakers.
What amplifier are you planning to use?
And by Classical Music, what exactly? For example full scale large orchestral pieces would possibly play with more dynamic range and loudness with larger speakers.
Amplification:
I got some SMSL SA50, very cheap ClassD Amps which I love. They played against a EL34 PP Amp or another ICE-Power Amps, and I kept the SMSL. I got a few of them, with different power adapters.
Kind of Music:
I am not so deep into this Musicgenre and I listen a lot to good Radio-/Internetstreams.
Its just the music that I start with in morning and keep playing most of the day...
I don`t need full dynamic scale or even original loudness.
Other music is IDM, Ambient, Minimal - full electronic musik
Different Speakers:
Yeah, there are so much different companys and ways, which are good.
But I like to try SS
By the way, I think Heissmann aims for a very neutral kind of sound, CD-Tweeters, less diffraction and so on.
I now Neumann Speaker, KH120 for example and really don`t like it
I am looking for a speaker that maybe doesn`t messure perfect, but plays nice and beautiful.
Maybe the LS 3/5 would be right for me but they are too expencive in my eyes...
I got some SMSL SA50, very cheap ClassD Amps which I love. They played against a EL34 PP Amp or another ICE-Power Amps, and I kept the SMSL. I got a few of them, with different power adapters.
Kind of Music:
I am not so deep into this Musicgenre and I listen a lot to good Radio-/Internetstreams.
Its just the music that I start with in morning and keep playing most of the day...
I don`t need full dynamic scale or even original loudness.
Other music is IDM, Ambient, Minimal - full electronic musik
Different Speakers:
Yeah, there are so much different companys and ways, which are good.
But I like to try SS
By the way, I think Heissmann aims for a very neutral kind of sound, CD-Tweeters, less diffraction and so on.
I now Neumann Speaker, KH120 for example and really don`t like it
I am looking for a speaker that maybe doesn`t messure perfect, but plays nice and beautiful.
Maybe the LS 3/5 would be right for me but they are too expencive in my eyes...
This one:
https://heissmann-acoustics.de/en/suzie/
Actually is with SS drivers, and as he describes, it is with a slightly "warm" sounding character. And I bet that he is willing to help you with a few changes, to make it sound even more like what you search for, even if you don't like it when finished or already from the beginning wish to add even more "warmth".
i honestly dont understand you guys building mini monitors
the commercial market is filled with affordable hi-end 2 ways
dont even think its worth all the effort.
SMSL SA50 amp? get some minimus and call it a day hahaha
I couldn't disagree with you more. The value proposition in terms of audio sound quality in comparing commercially built speakers compared to well designed DIY alternatives is easily 5 to 1 and in some cases as much as 10 to 1.
Said another way, you can build a DIY speaker, if you choose carefully the right one, for 1/10 the cost of a comparable commercial product. Of course that assumes that you put zero dollar value on your time and you already have the necessary workshop and skills to do the build.
With the 18W you might even try a sealed box?
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...ak-revelator-18w/8531g-00-7-mid-woofer-8-ohm/
"Box suggestions:
0.45 - .65 cubic foot sealed box with 20% filling for an F3 of 55Hz"
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...ak-revelator-18w/8531g-00-7-mid-woofer-8-ohm/
"Box suggestions:
0.45 - .65 cubic foot sealed box with 20% filling for an F3 of 55Hz"
so you think you can beat the kef ls50 for 100$?
diy is value if you build big speakers. for mini monitors, its not. thats my experience. care to share the small speakers youve had in commercial speakers?
If you go for the 15W, make it the 15W/8530K-01 for sealed boxes and your intended room placement.
There is no other option besides 4ohm/8ohm on the 18W.
Link for reference:
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/index.php?p=catalog&mode=search&search_str=ScanSpeak+Revelator
There is no other option besides 4ohm/8ohm on the 18W.
Link for reference:
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/index.php?p=catalog&mode=search&search_str=ScanSpeak+Revelator
Those are nice options from Audioexcite, all of them the 4ohm version. Here are 2 more with the 8ohm 15W 's:
https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/bookshelf-speakers/carrera
http://www.zaphaudio.com/ZD5.html
I built the ZD5 and simply love it. It blew me away actually when I built it. I went sealed and put some extra effort into the quality of the cabinet but I do use a sub to add in the LF's.
https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/bookshelf-speakers/carrera
http://www.zaphaudio.com/ZD5.html
I built the ZD5 and simply love it. It blew me away actually when I built it. I went sealed and put some extra effort into the quality of the cabinet but I do use a sub to add in the LF's.
Yes, I saw the design with the Hiquphon and I am very curious about this tweeter. Often is to read about something "magical" it adds to music.
Is the Hiquphon still uptodate?
I found some designs here from Deutschland, they use SS Tweeters, I think Illuminators:
https://www.aos-lautsprecher.de/lautsprecherkits/studio/s10/
Is the Hiquphon still uptodate?
I found some designs here from Deutschland, they use SS Tweeters, I think Illuminators:
https://www.aos-lautsprecher.de/lautsprecherkits/studio/s10/
Hi Rundalf,
I built the Carreras a few years back and they were my "daily drivers" for a long time. I am still using the 15W/8530K 00 mid-bass and the OW1 in my current speakers which is a self designed 3 way.
I don't find the OW1 adding anything as in "color". 🙂
Here's another design that you might fancy:
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/EllamXT-mkII_Lewis.htm
The original 98 MKII uses a much higher priced Scanspeak D2904/980000 tweeter; looks like Troels did a version for the lower cost R2604-83200.
I built the Carreras a few years back and they were my "daily drivers" for a long time. I am still using the 15W/8530K 00 mid-bass and the OW1 in my current speakers which is a self designed 3 way.
I don't find the OW1 adding anything as in "color". 🙂
Here's another design that you might fancy:
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/EllamXT-mkII_Lewis.htm
The original 98 MKII uses a much higher priced Scanspeak D2904/980000 tweeter; looks like Troels did a version for the lower cost R2604-83200.
Please don't be carried away by fanzy drivers , materials or smart words. A cheap simple driver used well, will always play better than an expensive 'good' driver used badly.
How much money are you willing to spend?
And how much DIY experience do you have?
Hi!
I have seen, but never heared, the Troels Design. Yes, they could be my Favorite and I really like the set back Tweeter Baffle.
But I think he is developing his speakers for/in larger rooms. He always describes, when I finished a bokkshelfspeaker that he first has to get used to this little speakers with the lack of bass when he puts the speakers in his living room. So he creates small speakers that work in large rooms. But I need a speaker that works in small rooms...
It would be better someone designs a speaker right in and for small rooms...
I saw the Elam 98MKII but I would not go for them. A friend once got Floorstanders from Audio Physics, some 15 years ago - and they are not for me.
@digitalthor
I listened many years with studio monitors in a nearfield setup. I loved it becuase it was better listening than listening in a normal hifi-livingroom-setup.
But now I am looking for some speakers which are easier to listen to, more "beautiyful", less tool.
Listening distance still is very short.
Budget will be best under 1000,-
Alternatively I was looking for Kairos, Adelphos, some Satori stuff
I have seen, but never heared, the Troels Design. Yes, they could be my Favorite and I really like the set back Tweeter Baffle.
But I think he is developing his speakers for/in larger rooms. He always describes, when I finished a bokkshelfspeaker that he first has to get used to this little speakers with the lack of bass when he puts the speakers in his living room. So he creates small speakers that work in large rooms. But I need a speaker that works in small rooms...
It would be better someone designs a speaker right in and for small rooms...
I saw the Elam 98MKII but I would not go for them. A friend once got Floorstanders from Audio Physics, some 15 years ago - and they are not for me.
@digitalthor
I listened many years with studio monitors in a nearfield setup. I loved it becuase it was better listening than listening in a normal hifi-livingroom-setup.
But now I am looking for some speakers which are easier to listen to, more "beautiyful", less tool.
Listening distance still is very short.
Budget will be best under 1000,-
Alternatively I was looking for Kairos, Adelphos, some Satori stuff
You could check out the designs of Rolph Smulders e.a., available on the audiocomponents.nl website. I won't post them here and last time I checked, I had to revert to the Internet Archive, but these designs rock in simply to build designs and elegant, simple crossovers.
For a 2-way without waveguide, I'd pick a 5 to 5,5" bass mid or smaller every day, by the way. The power curve of the traditional 6"-1" has to be one's taste (especially in a small room).
For a 2-way without waveguide, I'd pick a 5 to 5,5" bass mid or smaller every day, by the way. The power curve of the traditional 6"-1" has to be one's taste (especially in a small room).
If the listening distance is only 1m, then don't exceed a 4" woofer, for 2.2m you can go for a 5.5" or even a 6.5" woofer.
However if the speakers don't have a minimun of 50cm clearance from the back wall, don't spend more than some 100's Euro for the speakers as the placement will ruin the midrange. With a decent clearance the Carrera or the Kairos are definitely good designs. Without clearance your best bet is this:
https://heissmann-acoustics.de/en/wavewall182-wf182bd10-tw030wa09-wandlautsprecher-kinolautsprecher/
Ralf
since when only 4" woofer work within 1m?
Geithain RL-906
Amphion one 15
ATC SCM20
can be all listen under 1m