Hi all,
I wonder if anyone can recommend me what they think is the best all around fullrange driver is? The criteria I have in mind are price, bass, treble extension and loudness.
Would be great to hear!
Edit: I'd be looking to use a small enclosure of perhaps around 6l - no massive TL or something. Also, I have a powerful DSP for equalisation.
Edit 2: Okay seems like 6l is very unreasonable so I can shift this requirement, perhaps rethink the enclosure shape. 12l is acceptable. For some extra information regarding the intended usage: the speakers will be used in a fairly small room around 4x4x3m high. They will be used for relaxed listened perhaps around 90db max at 1m. It would be nice to have a little headroom. For me, reasonable extension would be -3 of 60Hz minimum. I'd like to see the high end response get past 10kHz without problems.
I wonder if anyone can recommend me what they think is the best all around fullrange driver is? The criteria I have in mind are price, bass, treble extension and loudness.
Would be great to hear!
Edit: I'd be looking to use a small enclosure of perhaps around 6l - no massive TL or something. Also, I have a powerful DSP for equalisation.
Edit 2: Okay seems like 6l is very unreasonable so I can shift this requirement, perhaps rethink the enclosure shape. 12l is acceptable. For some extra information regarding the intended usage: the speakers will be used in a fairly small room around 4x4x3m high. They will be used for relaxed listened perhaps around 90db max at 1m. It would be nice to have a little headroom. For me, reasonable extension would be -3 of 60Hz minimum. I'd like to see the high end response get past 10kHz without problems.
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I have been liking the visaton BG-20.
I bought it for less than 30 bucks a piece and they have a rising response up top, so off axis performance is actually pretty decent.
I bought it for less than 30 bucks a piece and they have a rising response up top, so off axis performance is actually pretty decent.
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Your post might open a can of worms.
When you say "price" what are you thinking? In my mind, Mark Audio makes the best full-range driver for the budget-conscious.
Others will undoubtedly chime in with great suggestions, but Mark Audio drivers are designed specifically as full-range (at least as full-range as a single driver can be).
There are also variants to the full-range design such as the WAW or FAST architecture. A woofer is used to fill in the lower frequencies and the full-range is allowed to work where it works best.
I'm sure you'll get a few different ideas on this. Have fun with it! 🙂
Mike
When you say "price" what are you thinking? In my mind, Mark Audio makes the best full-range driver for the budget-conscious.
Others will undoubtedly chime in with great suggestions, but Mark Audio drivers are designed specifically as full-range (at least as full-range as a single driver can be).
There are also variants to the full-range design such as the WAW or FAST architecture. A woofer is used to fill in the lower frequencies and the full-range is allowed to work where it works best.
I'm sure you'll get a few different ideas on this. Have fun with it! 🙂
Mike
I'm sure I will!
For me about 100USD per driver would be maximum, preferably less than that.
I'm looking for anecdotes and peoples opinions not a hard and fast answer.
For me about 100USD per driver would be maximum, preferably less than that.
I'm looking for anecdotes and peoples opinions not a hard and fast answer.
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Just six liters worth of enclosure? Yikes!...that is rather small to say the least. Perhaps the like of an old FE103, an old four-incher...unfortunately these came out a very long time ago & are considered "collectors items" along with stupid prices. Radio Shack made their "Solo" series with this driver & a nice veneered enclosure. Modern four-inch full-rangers are far less expensive & perform better.
Currently I'm building a 17.55 Liter enclosure for a $10 each old NOS Radio-Shack 40-1284 five-inch fullranger...with a modern power-amp it should sound very good.
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Currently I'm building a 17.55 Liter enclosure for a $10 each old NOS Radio-Shack 40-1284 five-inch fullranger...with a modern power-amp it should sound very good.
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One of these might be what you're looking for.
http://wodendesign.com/downloads/Woden-BabyLabs-241018.pdf
http://wodendesign.com/downloads/Woden-BabyLabs-241018.pdf
Unsure how those two criteria go together w/o IM beween the two. I'd think you never want to see the FR cone move - that's for the assist woofer 😉
Me too, but few meet the $30 criteria. Best is a very fluid term, and what the amplification is, is an important question.
And 6 litres is quite small and limiting. Perhaps the CHN50 (sort of like an A5.2/3 in a cheap stamped basket.
For $100 = £80 perhaps Alpair 7.3, Pluvia 7HD, maybe Pluvia 7HD. Alpair 6.2m/p if you can find some. Before or after VAT?
Markaudio | KJF Audio
dave
That depends on how loud you listen, and how close you are to the speaker. Room also plays a role.
dave
It depends what you mean by "bass, treble extension and loudness", care to put some numbers on them?
FaitalPro 3fe22 el natural or 4fe32 with EQ, for sub-6 liters enclosure.
with 10+ liters I would personally try a FR151 paper cone with some passive radiator.
In my particular case, with a way too big enclosure, I've got an F3 of 53 hz, but of course up from there is going to be bobbing up & down some 8-12 db...pretty much the norm for these, including falling off past 10K steeply 12+ db.
Decibel-wise, my 87 rating while common, will get 100Db OK.
This is where his DSP will help immensely, evening out everything.
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Have you ever been introduced to the iron law: Josef Anton Hofmann - Wikipedia?
I’d say look around for smaller 6 to 8 vintage drivers that was put in budget boxes and consoles in the 60s to the 80s. Most of the good ones are from Philips, SABA, Telefunken or similar old fallen European giants.
The can be had for nothing, sound fantastic, are very forgiving, and can be put in a variety of designs.
Most of them where designed for a leaky box type enclosure, to they are relatively under-dampened, while still being very stiff on-axis/laterally due to the common paper accordion edge, acting as a second spider.
That gives them very good efficiency and protection.
I believe the least problematic is the high sensitivity, in regards to lower frequencies, in a world with with very affordable power amp, DSP(EQ), passive radiators and the possibility to make a FR+sub system...
On the other hand, small cabinet size is often a sine qua non condition and good, deep low-frequency sound even more...
Add Isophon to that list. I have a couple drawers of them to flog of as soon as i getto them.
A bunch of Philips as well, but few pairs.
dave
Of course, as usual, we know nothing about how the driver will be used.
6 litres suggest a computer speaker, but I've seen people use that in their, ahem..., home video system.
Really, for that size, just get any 3+" driver for about $20 and use your powerful DSP to bring the response to something you like.
But of course, you will get all sorts of suggestions, even way off your parameters, because the OP was so vague.
Enjoy the show! I'm sure you will get a lot more than you bargained for here! 😀
6 litres suggest a computer speaker, but I've seen people use that in their, ahem..., home video system.
Really, for that size, just get any 3+" driver for about $20 and use your powerful DSP to bring the response to something you like.
But of course, you will get all sorts of suggestions, even way off your parameters, because the OP was so vague.
Enjoy the show! I'm sure you will get a lot more than you bargained for here! 😀