Nonsense. Unless you can show there are other significant measurements that are being ignored you have used a strawman argument. All the measurements taken relate to the sound and distortion of the sound. And it's the sound that matters
This doesn't seem to me to be said correctly.
Regardless of the fact that I don't even know what SINAD is because I'm not interested at the moment, it seems clear that the measurements from wherever they come from are related to the devices (that's to the "electrical" part of the sound), not to the sound.
This misunderstanding can generate a myriad of conceptual errors in cascade, in my opinion.
Just because said in that way it would seem that we know how to measure the sound (quality).
And evidently this is not the case.
As far as I know we have quantitative and deductive indications, not qualitative.
When we have the qualitative measurements then maybe we will talk about it again.
However, I guess that 2 different manufactured devices that measure the same can not sound the same, on principle.
Whether someone can notice it or not is another matter.
Now there's a misunderstanding. DACs do not output sound but only an electrical signal. That signal tells everything about the "sound" of the device (unless the DAC has a mechanical sound as well). It can be argued that SINAD does not tell everything about the sound but it is measure of distortion and noise which both have an impact on sound. Besides even at ASR SINAD is only one of the measurements taken.
Nobody here should have to do that. Its up to Amir to show he isn't failing to do a measurement that would account for some people hearing differences between dacs. After all, he's the one who got you believing his working theory is a "proven" scientific "fact." Therefore it should be up to him to correct your misunderstanding.
Dutch members of parliament sometimes have to phrase their criticism on the government as questions. It leads to questions that already contain the desired answer, preferably phrased such that it is almost impossible to disagree with that desired answer - although the ministers are, of course, trained at evading such questions while pretending to answer them.
Considering that you are clearly not the slightest bit interested in any answer but no, I wonder if you had a similar motivation for starting this thread. If so, you haven't done a very good job, as only 24.3 % of the respondents gave the desired answer.
I absolutely am interested in discussing the subject. I haven't seen a strong argument against all DAC sounding the same (barring some slight filter effects that may be audible to some).
You seem to think you have a strong argument, but I don't think you do.
I don't think so.
As a matter of fact, I said that
And you instead the following
Statements above have exactly the same meaning.
I don't see any misunderstanding.
However, I just went to see what SINAD means and I never read that according to ASR it indicates the quality of the sound: he states blue is "better", not "it sounds better", if I'm not wrong.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ad-distortion-comparison-graph-for-dacs.4814/
Anyway, I don't know what you think, but SINAD doesn't seem like a very popular measurement out there
https://headphones.com/blogs/features/evaluating-sinad-why-its-not-important
My opinion is that there is no measurement that tells us about the sound quality of a device.
All current measurements can do is to infer that if the measurements are good, the sound might be good too, but not "as good as"... if you know what I mean.
But nowhere would I write that two DACs that measure equally well will sound equally good simply because we don't yet have the full knowledge to say that.
And even if we had it, I still don't know what it would be for.
But I had already written this shortly before...
Not "ignored", but "unknown".
There is a big difference.
Do you think the SINAD value tells you how a DAC sounds?
No they don't. As I said the electrical signal tells you everything about the sound. So most measurements of that signal (e.g. SINAD) also relate to the sound.
Please enlighten us how a DAC can impact the sound through other means than the electrical signal it outputs.
You have a funny way of turning the question around and not answering what you're asked after you've said something, only it doesn't work.
I asked you where you read that the electrical signal tells us everything about the sound of a DAC.
But you haven't answered me yet.
Please note that "everything" it's a term you used not me.
It seems that your understanding of electronics and DACs is quite limited. There is no other output from the DAC than the electrical signal. It contains all there is to the sound of the DAC.
This is also not an answer, but it is a useless and inappropriate personal judgment now and you are doing it because you simply do not know the answer to that question.
It seems that you ere beating around the bush: the sound is not described by a measurement.
Two similar DACs has 0.00000000001% THD at 1KHz on output. How this tell us for example about sound stage or imaging ?
That is not what I said. I said the electrical signal contains all there is to the sound of the DAC.
When you are in a hole the first thing to do is stop digging.
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