The Degradation of Proper English

Can't speak for other professions but my joke about extrovert programmers was based on reality and personal experience. I should know, I am one of those extrovert programmers.

Roughly 10% of the programmers I worked with were like me and found direct eye contact uncomfortable. Particularly in stressful situations.

It took me decades to learn socially acceptable behaviour and particularly to recognise when I was going 'off-piste'. I still make mistakes...

My partner has been a paragon of patience.
 
It could be they are on the spectrum - one of the behaviours is they avoid eye contact. My wife is a psychologist and after she explained some of this stuff to me about 25 yrs ago, I was able to look around at work and say ‘aha I understand a little of what’s going on here’ and make some allowances. This is of course absolutely nothing to do with getting ‘blanked’ which is just good old fashioned snobbery, for which, like you, I have the utmost disdain.

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I have a good friend who was an FBI Attorney and Federal Prosecutor. There is a lot your mouth, nose, eyes, posture etc. reveal in those interviews!
 
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Proper is what it was and should be but as we speak it is degrading. Nothing wrong grammar wise I think. Say the inverse to check validity.

The improvement of poor English.

It IS poor but improvement is on its way. Seeing the many grammar errors native speakers make I think no one will bother 🙂
 
I worked for Dutch companies for 20 yrs (Philips and then NXP). I think the Dutch (and the Swedes and Danish) often spoke better, clearer english than us. Occasionally there there may have been a small grammatical error in written work, but no worse than those from my English colleagues.
 
I remember an episode of Family Ties when one of the girls comes home from school having suddenly adopted a new vernacular known as "Valley Talk."

It caught on then and hasn't stopped.

"Like" was one of the words used.

I like... hate it. And yes, all kids talk like this today, especially the girls.

Have they ever like... heard of like... a thesaurus or dictionary? Might help with their communication problems. Like... I dunno.
 
often spoke better, clearer english than us
Yup. Because they have to learn it and probably understand what a past participle is...

Most of my education was in the 60s and 70s I received little or no instruction on English grammar. If it hadn't been for my parents I'd have learned nothing of grammar at all and been barely literate or numerate.

A language is a tool. To fail to understand it's grammar is to lessen it's effectiveness.
 
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