I have always chosen to view it as more akin to synesthesia.
I mentioned it to try and illustrate that there aren't walls in the brain and sound can light up parts in unexpected ways.
absolute truths ?? , measurements , this is why many people doesn't make them , they rather prefer their hearing as judgement ...LOL
measurements maybe not that absolute but they do not depends on you , that's a good start
being intelligent means that you are able to get over your own logic and beliefs , these guys you've seen aren't
Knowledge is nothing without consciousness , and here is the point 😎
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Thank you, this is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read about sound from you or anyone else because I read it positively.
And yes, the walls are in the mind not in the brain and those "unexpected ways" can even be wonderful.
Please note that this thread is not about measurements at all, even though many members seem obsessed with them.
I repeat that this thread is not about measurements at all, even though many members seem obsessed with them.
Sorry to tell you this, but from what you say it doesn't seem like we hang out with the same people.
However, I think intelligence is a mistery.
I do not know this, but I know that there are several types of intelligence.
However, I believe that being intelligent means doubting.
First of all, doubting yourself.
I'm wary of people who are very sure of how (little) they know.
Which people, if they were really intelligent, would doubt that they do not know enough.
And would suddenly become humble.
But often it seems that they do not.
Well, I believe that being an intelligent person means being humble and doubtful.
But I'm not entirely convinced by this and I apologize for that.
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“Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.”
- Confucius
- Confucius
Hearing is a sense. Listening is a skill, and it can be honed with practice.. Exposure to really good references helps you identify a goal for your system.
Preference should be a strong guide for evaluating your system preference....how you hear and what you like is personal and unique to you. Not so different that choosing flavors or attractive mates...we all have our own criteria. If you rely on machines or other's opinions, you may or may not like how it sounds.
Preference should be a strong guide for evaluating your system preference....how you hear and what you like is personal and unique to you. Not so different that choosing flavors or attractive mates...we all have our own criteria. If you rely on machines or other's opinions, you may or may not like how it sounds.
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ok, I wont talk measurement any more and I am not obsessed with them , it is just a tool for me , as for many 😉
regarding "intelligence " , humility and doubt is just a part of it , as I said before consciousness is the point , this partially leads you to Confucius quote
consciousness helps you to spot your bias , and there are many , especially in audio , these modify a lot our listening experience 😉
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“The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don’t know.”
-Albert Einstein
-Albert Einstein
Thanks.
Good to know.
However, generally speaking, obsession does not always manifest itself as such.
It is often mimetic and manifests itself in vehemently reiterating some logical deductions which, when repeated and repeated again by other ones, seem ever more true even if they are not.
Furthermore they almost always not having the slightest knowledge of what is being talked about, but deducing it by logic.
But, as said, logic cannot replace knowledge, in my view.
Please note tha translated into another language "consciousness" may be misleading, I guess you meant "awareness" which would be more appropriate, in my opinion.
However, I believe that awareness is not a voluntary process otherwise everyone would be aware of it, while we know that this is not the case.
Awareness is more as the result of a philosophical and even spiritual path, without which, in my humble opinion, one doesn't get anywhere.
When a person (not you, just any person) is aware of his own limits he is also humble and doubtful.
Not enough to make true what hardcore users of logic would like.
Hi Galu, could you please elaborate this to a non-native English speaker just like I'm?
Thanks!
Back on track.
Just trying to make a point that expertise does not come quickly or easily.
As in many fields, some may have natural ability, and some may be able to learn from experience.
Exposure to acoustic music may, over time, change one's perspective.
We cannot know if "red" looks identical to everyone, but most can agree when they see "red" color.
Just trying to make a point that expertise does not come quickly or easily.
As in many fields, some may have natural ability, and some may be able to learn from experience.
Exposure to acoustic music may, over time, change one's perspective.
We cannot know if "red" looks identical to everyone, but most can agree when they see "red" color.
What is really important with any hifi is that is connects you personally to thge music, so taste plays a big role.
But if/as you are trained to listen you become aware of moire things in the recording and you can listen deeper into the content. Over time this can change your preferences.
Environmental and genetic factors play a role. ome will have better hearing potential right out of the room. Then where you live (a nosiy city or a quiet countryside?) and your learning experiences play a role in your perception ofwhat teh ear recieves and thge brain interprets.
dave
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The ballpark figure is 10,000 hrs of training. (ref Daniel Levitin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Your_Brain_on_Music)
dave
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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.
dave
I would like to add to a big "thank you!" that the exact reference is this
10,000 Hours: Absolute Threshold for Expertise?
Thank you also for this which should be an unmissable book and of which I've just right now purchased the kindle version on Amazon for 9.99 bucks. 🙂
I read this book a few years ago.
Anyone who reads it will also realize that the subject is much broader than what has been said in this thread and that we are all conditioned, shaped by our life, our experience etc. without realizing it of course.
It does not only depend on the audio system, the listening room, the recording, our ears, our physical state (tiredness or not), our mental state (stress or not).
Enjoy reading, it is very instructive.
In the end, we choose by listening and we do not care about the opinions of others.
Anyone who reads it will also realize that the subject is much broader than what has been said in this thread and that we are all conditioned, shaped by our life, our experience etc. without realizing it of course.
It does not only depend on the audio system, the listening room, the recording, our ears, our physical state (tiredness or not), our mental state (stress or not).
Enjoy reading, it is very instructive.
In the end, we choose by listening and we do not care about the opinions of others.
Yes. Part of the key to evaluating a hifi is having an idea of what happens when the signal hits your head.
dave
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