Back to transducer price. It's one thing to produce something in small quantities but it's a whole other ball game to scale up while maintaining high QC standards.
I don't see many companies like Purifi being as transparent about sharing what and why things are done in such way. BTW the former R&D and Lab director and CTO of Peerless , Vifa and Scanspeak is Carsten Tinggard Co-owner of PURIFI Transducer Technology and COO.
Like I said before markets evolve in S curve, early adopters pay premiums until it's standardized for all the reasons that were previously enumerated.
I don't see many companies like Purifi being as transparent about sharing what and why things are done in such way. BTW the former R&D and Lab director and CTO of Peerless , Vifa and Scanspeak is Carsten Tinggard Co-owner of PURIFI Transducer Technology and COO.
Like I said before markets evolve in S curve, early adopters pay premiums until it's standardized for all the reasons that were previously enumerated.
Yes, ignoring communism we are dealing with economic MARKETS.
This is called supply and demand in economics.
I appreciate you reiterating what I said with emphasis.
Minus re-stating the crushingly obvious - this has been repeated at least 10 times in this very thread... so, I tried to explain it a bit, lest the answer to the OPs question in the 2nd post simply have been...
How do you think the market for drivers differs from other consumer / business to business markets around the world?
If you don't think it differs much, then read an Econ 101 book.
If you think it differs, then - please state any perceived or real differences.
Re-writing a text book is boring.
When you see a chair your brain instantly select and superpoze a packet of reconstruced images stored in your memory that have the shape of a chair in few millseconds, this process is called "ordinance", those who have ordinance problems are called "schizophrenic" because their brain store everthing and the are unable to identify accurately... everything.
The "sensory input" of everyone is biased by the industry exploits that make them thining that everthing is cheap, a small production is extremely expensive, a metric steel bolt cost litterally nothing and a non standard hastelloy bolt realized on a CNC can cost hundreds dollars.
Since I work with many driver manufacturers and customer OEM drivers almost every day, I rely on various sources of information.
Do you work with these things too?
In other words, it depends on production quantities and marketing efforts.
They believe the surround makes a difference, and they might be right, but without solid data, it's just a hypothesis = marketing claim.
Once production numbers are high enough, the costs of research and patents are insignificant.
By the way, their patent is a design patent, not a utility patent.
This I agree with. 🙂
Although 3rd party measurements did show some differences here and there.
Btw, it's not just about showing how great a driver is, but more just in what context it can be used.
Aka; knowing the limits within a certain context.
Pretty annoying that this data is even hard to get for professionals as well. 🙁
It doesn't differ much from any other consumer / B2B market. Manufacturers send to distributors then send again to retailers for consumer. Just than supply chain is so inefficient that most cost is lost in translation....Each taking their cuts, some more greedier than others. Hence D2C and drop shipping gaining in traction these days. It's why DIY is such a great value! The opportunity to choose the trade off acceptable to ones specific situation is another great perks compare to something fully built to a price point.
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I can't think of any ways although I'm sure there are some. Maybe very few deaf people buy raw speaker drivers? I'm focusing on the economics (specifically microeconomics/ price theory) because the question is about price. General economy theory applies to all markets.
I hope you don't think you would understand much economics from Econ 101.
I don't need to know anything about speaker drivers. We are talking about prices and economics. Hopefully the speaker companies don't let the engineers run the business side of things and don't let the economists design the speaker drivers.
I've read a few that did a nice job of handling the basics better than many in this thread... Kidding. The responses have been interesting.
Maybe a few concepts get beyond 101, but it's been 40 years... so... I acknowledge fully that this is from my faulty memory and that I am certainly not an Econ expert. I took a few courses in HS, in undergrad, and at a grad level. I was simply trying to convey a few basics to the OP about a market in which I have no knowledge except as a consumer in different terms than were used earlier by other posters trying to get across roughly the same point.
With that said, I could have segmented my post a little better.
This section from above (quoted below) was intended to be indented and indicating what I'd consider a boring response to Arthur's original question that I could have put in post #2 vs. what could have been perceived as a direct reply to you. Apologies. I am horrible at format / typing in general.
So - tl;dr - yes, it's supply and demand. My post may have seemed like I was questioning you vs. agreeing with you. Cheers.
No, I don't work with driver manufacturers, I just know a little economics.
Let me clarify something I said earlier about "it's not quantities". Yes, quantities/scale matters a LOT regarding the cost of driver's, which I believe was your point. But it doesn't matter in the main context of the OP's question because a lot of what we are discussing are drivers made in similar quantities by companies with similar capabilities.
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I only quoted a few of your statements, not because we disagreed, but because what you said was basically "supply and demand" and that's the point I've been making since #2. Those who are saying that there is something very unique and different about the speaker market, I disagree with.
No my point is that there are (several) people who actually know the exact numbers in some cases.
Which btw, is basically as what @ItsAllInMyHead describes if you understand the bigger picture of economics.
Replace speakers for pizza's, cars or music instruments and you'll get a similar picture.
Although some products can have specific niches that won't provide benefits for other fields.
Actually it matters an awful lot to understand what context we are operating in.
In fact, it basically gives far more insight to understand such topics.
No offense intended, but it seems like some people might not be fully informed on this topic.
Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't answers OP's question, nor does it help people to understand such topics.
Not to be pedantic but the statement you provided contains many inaccuracies and misconceptions. Let’s break down the concepts related to perception, memory, and schizophrenia for clarity:
Perception and Memory:
When you see an object like a chair, your brain processes the sensory input from your eyes. This involves recognizing shapes, colors, and patterns.
The brain uses past experiences and stored memories to identify the object. This is a rapid process that involves matching current sensory input with stored representations in your memory.
The brain does not superimpose “a packet of reconstructed images,” but it does use a process called pattern recognition. This involves the brain comparing incoming sensory information with stored memories to identify what you are seeing. This process is fast, often taking just milliseconds, and involves the visual cortex and other parts of the brain responsible for memory.
As for Schizophrenia:
Schizophrenia is a complex mental disorder characterized by symptoms such as hallucinations, delusions, disorganized thinking, and impaired functioning. It does not specifically relate to the inability to recognize objects due to an overload of stored images.
People with schizophrenia might experience difficulties with executive functions (planning, organizing, and completing tasks), but the description of “storing everything and being unable to identify accurately” is far from accurate. Instead, their perception and interpretation of reality can be distorted.
Cognitive impairments in schizophrenia can include issues with attention, memory, and executive function. These are more about processing and organizing thoughts than the specific inability to recognize objects accurately.
I can't figure out if you are disagreeing with me or haven't followed the thread. I've barely said anything specific about speakers. Price is all about supply and demand regardless of the product. l have tried to explain a little economics and economic price theory on an audio forum because the thread question was about price. I know a tiny (very tiny) little bit about speakers. I know some economics.
I think it's quite obvious what I responded to;
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...r-driver-expensive.414264/page-6#post-7722618
followed by
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...r-driver-expensive.414264/page-7#post-7722714