Electric Cars Not Doing Well in Extreme Cold

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I think you need to remove one 'ICE' and put 'transmission' there for it to make any sense 😛. Wife's car is marketed as full hybrid as in toyota-speak parallel has the motor in series with the drive shaft to the gearbox. potato/potarto.

I'm old school. Anything without a clutch and stick is just transport. Which means the only REALLY interesting car in the current Toyota lineup is the GR Yaris. Sadly not sold in the USA as not much market for a road legal rally car.

The "full hybrid"moniker is pure marketing BS... IMHO.

Synergy put the electric motor and ICE in parallel ahead of the CVT transmission... huh? A classic parallel configuration.

Honda's old IMA was a serial because the electric motor was in line, in lieu of the flywheel. It's problem though was that the ICE and electric motor were rotationally tied to each other and the speed of the car (OK, the CVT did alleviate this a little) and unlike modern serial hybrids this meant the rotation of the both motors could not be optimized ( charging, moving... etc)...

There have been some early designs ( Honda, GM ) where the electric motor(s) was(were) mounted onto the output shaft of the transmission... these were early serial hybrids but still suffered having the ICE always driving through a multigear transmission... they were learning lessons.

As much as I enjoy double clutching on a downshift and hitting the apex perfectly when I can snap some clean upshifts at redline... I find that a modern car with paddleshifters is faster and I keep my hands on the wheel when I need them.

AWD with rear torque vectoring to me is the best of all during a turn. It's an eye opener.
 
General Motors. AUDI (now VW)
More of a buy up in one case
The modern Audi era began in the 1960s, when Auto Union was acquired by Volkswagen from Daimler-Benz.[9] After relaunching the Audi brand with the 1965 introduction of the Audi F103 series, Volkswagen merged Auto Union with NSU Motorenwerke in 1969, thus creating the present-day form of the company.

GM not sure what has gone on there. They acquired Fiat and Saab for instance . Not sure what happened with Fiat but do know they did diesel development for GM. They no longer own the UK's Vauxhall or the German Opel. Sounds like Ford to me. Ford did make themselves the biggest maker via acquisitions for a while but it didn't last. They don''t own Volvo any more. Chrysler did own Mercedes for a while. I believe both of the USA giants have needed bailouts.

🙁 In the UK we are well used to our car makers being gobbled up.
 
Buick, Pontiac, Olds, Chevrolet, Cadillac were all sepaerate at one time.

And long before VW sucked them up, 4 companies banded together to form Audi (not sure whether the namje was in use yet), the 4 rings represent the 4 companies.

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General Motors wrecked SAAB :^(

dave
 
As much as I enjoy double clutching on a downshift and hitting the apex perfectly when I can snap some clean upshifts at redline... I find that a modern car with paddleshifters is faster and I keep my hands on the wheel when I need them.

AWD with rear torque vectoring to me is the best of all during a turn. It's an eye opener.
Some people want a car that gets from A to B quickly whilst making them feel like a hero as the computers keep the car on the road. Some like a car that rewards good driving. Luckily both types are sold. Those with money often have one from each camp.
 
Some people want a car that gets from A to B quickly whilst making them feel like a hero as the computers keep the car on the road. Some like a car that rewards good driving. Luckily both types are sold. Those with money often have one from each camp.

Two Christmas ago I had to drive 200 miles on the 5 across Portlandia right after an ice storm.

Trust me, I needed a car with as sure footed traction as it exists.. at one point I almost lost it... the car started to go sideways on me... slowly.. left, right. Left, Right, LEFT, RIGHT..... yikes.

Carefully I brought her back.

That was with AWD, torque vectoring, ABS, TCS, and every acronym can figure out.

I didn't wanna be a hero... I just wanted to get those presents delivered and not lose them in the ditch.

I want a car that is fun and makes me look like a hero...
 
One problem I see with EVs that no one seems to talk about is that none of the public recharging stations appears to have an overhead roof like standard gas stations have. So if you need to recharge in the rain you're going to get pretty wet connecting the charging cable, processing your credit card, and then disconnecting the cable again.
 
@naresh... a 90 Kw battery is gonna take a very long time to charge at home, even with a 220V/30A line ( Max of 7.2KwH.. so 12.4 hours... minimum ).

in SoCal, the cheapest price for electricity, is the night rate using Time of Day (ToD). That's 15 cents per KwH. So, 13.5 hours for 90 Kw... BUT

(1) You need to take into account the cost of installing a charger.
(2) The politicians are talking about making you install a dedicated electric meter for your car charger so they can impose road taxes on it.

As usual, things as not as rosy as they seem

And.. inductive charging at 7.2KwH... I think I'll need a Faraday cage suit.
 
Tony, I was just pulling his leg.
We have grid tied solar herein many houses, so not much of an issue with costs.
Time of day supply is available for connections with about 85 kW, IIRC here in Gujarat state, different state have different rules.
And you can always top up the battery at partial charge, 8 hours at home would be adequate.
It is more convenient than waiting in line for hours...plug in, sleep, full charge in morning...
 
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Have a " Normal" fuel car and so far this winter
Woke up to a dead battery. And storms/road conditions stranded many fuel cars.
So people forget that extreme weather isn't friendly.
Even my phone has been crashing from the cold. So not interested in media bias.

@abstract
I understand your point of view. But there is a much longer list than just CO2 for green house gases.
Many much more toxic. And the temperature changes can be higher heat or lower temperature depending
on the gases. This problem was a big issue 40 years ago in the 80's. Depending on region, business and politics.
The issue gets ignored or buried for many reasons. And when it does get brought up again. You find multiple
examples of people trying to convince you its not true. Especially in a media driven world these days.
The bias they create will be rather good and convincing, since it has to be
 
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making hydrogen from aluminium.
I wonder how much aluminium was needed
At a weight fraction of 3.7 wt.% H2, the aluminum water splitting reaction generates one kg of hydrogen through the consumption of 9 kg of Al (assuming 100% yield). Using a value of 15.552 kWh per kg Al, the energy required to produce 1 kg of hydrogen would then be 140 kWh, or 500 MJ. Since the energy content of 1 kg of hydrogen is 120 MJ (lower heating value of hydrogen), the overall energy efficiency for hydrogen obtained using aluminum produced by the Hall-Heroult electrolytic process is 24%.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcel...ce-hydrogen-study-issues-related-use-aluminum
 
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