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For too long now one of my nearly complete projects is fibre from servers to dacs, co-located in tri amped speakers.... It'll be great when finished!!
Very interesting project. I've been contemplating this myself. How are you going to implement the volume control? Just run everything at 24 bits and control the volume on the spdif interface? Or do you want to use out of band signaling and run the digital interface bit perfect to the speaker?
 
And if you're a digital user, why go for TOSLINK and its lower sampling frequencies?
Galvanic isolation AKA eliminate a ground loop but with lower cost and higher SQ than a coupling transformer.
I currently run my optical connections at 24 bit/ 96kHz. Formerly I've run 24 bit/ 192kHz. Not officially supported but it worked anyway. I just use it for 2 channels.
 
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My 50 year old turntable doesn't have a digital output, nor does my 40 year old tuner.
Since I have no urge to throw away albums I like with content that's unavailable in a digital format, what would sitting a DAC near a speaker do?
And if you're a digital user, why go for TOSLINK and its lower sampling frequencies?
The answer is obvious, you get a turntable for each speaker, double your record collection, and work out a way to drop both styluses at the same time.
 
Hi Bill,
I have never seen a normal speaker wire cause oscillation in an amplifier - ever. That's assuming a normal quality amplifier and non-stupid wire. So that concern is out the window. Reflections? Not at audio frequencies, you know better than that.
slightly funning you, but Cyril bateman discovered this testing a normal quality amplifier without stupid wire. And as threads on here have shown matching characteristic impedance can have measurable effects. Audible? I'm on the fence on that one...
I wouldn't use a DB9 for those connections. Standard balanced cable is too heavy and that is your impedance advantage. XLR is it accepted connection for this, so let's confine our discussion to accepted inductry standards shall we? Otherwise we are off in the weeds with undefined and unproved setups.
This is DIY, I can go any direction i want surely as long as I'm willing to accept certain people consider me odd, which has been the story of my life. Anyway studios seem to have no problem with DB25 being used for 8 balanced connections, made popular by tascam? or is that unproved...
Yes, yours may work fine in your enviroment. That is all we know. Then you have your single-ended to balanced line converters. The chips are pretty good and have pretty good CMRR. When you go descrete your CMRR normally dives and THD goes up. That is typical and I have done design work in this area.

Wire costs ... sure we can pick the least expensive in one and compare to more expensive in another. So, what then is your point? You are simply mudding the waters here for no purpose.
copper costs, so the wire with most copper will be the most expensive surely?
DIY. Well, there is something called "best practices", and they exist for a reason. Sure you can get away with "other" in some applications, but the standards always work. They tend to work the best, and are pretty much defined in performance. I'm in the industry, so I will speak from knowing the standards and best practices.
And that's fine you make your living from that. However I'm doing this as a hobby so can chose the path less trodden for my personal pleasure. Plus I would argue strongly that domestic audio signal levels are far from best practice. Good enough for rock and roll, but not best.
One thing should hav caught everyone's attention. Most equipment is single-ended in design internally, very few are balanced (and they will be 1.414 x as noisy at best compared to single-ended). So what does this mean? It means very simply that there is another device in between the output of your excellent "whatever" and your amplifiers or electronic crossover. Transformers will work, electronic balancing adpater circuits have strong advantages. But these are in between and add distortion varying on type and quality. Anyone catch and think of this by chance?

-Chris
Of course I caught it AND thought of it. And on balance and looking at the data I decided that using balanced interconnects was what I wanted to do.
 
This is DIY, I can go any direction i want surely as long as I'm willing to accept certain people consider me odd, which has been the story of my life. Anyway studios seem to have no problem with DB25 being used for 8 balanced connections, made popular by tascam? or is that unproved...
It is absolutely proven and there is an AES standard for it. The studios use DB25 and RJ45 connectors. And seriously, the interconnect is less expensive than the equivalent RCA because it is based on high volume industrial ethernet prices i.e. not a lot. Now you can go buy some mega$ audiophile-approved Ethernet but you don't have to.

You/we are allowed to be odd. I am sure our partners decided that aeons ago 🙂
 
My 50 year old turntable doesn't have a digital output, nor does my 40 year old tuner.
Since I have no urge to throw away albums I like with content that's unavailable in a digital format, what would sitting a DAC near a speaker do?
And if you're a digital user, why go for TOSLINK and its lower sampling frequencies?
If you want "quality sound" but still stick to records you hook the cartridge output up to an AD converter, do the deemphasis digitally and then go from there. That also makes it easy to play pre-RIAA standardised records.
 
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So adding parts to the signal chain will improve it?
Assuming this sentence is ironic, I believe that nobody can make themselves a teacher (this is a saying of my country and I don't know if I translated it correct) because even if mathematics is an exact science, IMO the Audio is (yet) not.
So I try to be humble, I mean with myself, and with my beliefs about what comes out from my system and why it comes out in that way.
Each component that adds or subtracts to the signal path can be involved as a sort of "variable" in my system and can give good or bad results, in my system and in my perception.

Even if I agree that generally speaking less is on the (analog) signal the better, it is not an absolute rule since the purpose of listening is not (or should not be, in my opinion) to buy or build minimalistic devices, but to gather a good-sounding system, that's my system.
The judge can only be myself and nobody else because the system (and the ears) is/are mine (there are no two equal ones).

So, it depends on the parts and depends on the signal, and it depends on "where" you put the parts, in my opinion.

Just as an example, with digital signal I use USB Isolator (ADuM4160) even not using a PC, but a Digital Transport, and I love the resulting (better) sound to the point that I bought two more units as possibly spare.

Sometimes more may be better.
 
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It's not ironic. In all seriousness, I don't believe a part is as good as no part, when it has to do with passing an.analog signal.
What I replied to is the answer to my query- what does sitting a DAC next to a speaker have to do with the analog signal from my turntable or tuner.
The answer was that I should convert my analog turntable and tuner signals to digital, send it to DACs sitting next to speakers and convert the signals back to analog prior to sending them to the speaker. Saying this logic makes me regard myself as a teacher is completely unrelated to what I stated.
Are you saying converting an analog signal to digital, then converting it to analog again with all that extra signal processing somehow improves the signal?
 
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