yeah some people say RT60 is useless.
some don’t.
i found it useful to see how towards dead and lively the room was getting besides my ears as a reference.
thanks for the pic of your room as a reference!
some of us can help you on your room acoustics and you can help me on my crossover.
just like my bad room, you room could be further improved upon and it will make more of a difference that any pair of speakers , amp or anything else you would buy.
the room IMHO is the number one variable that can change the sound
just like my bad room, you room could be further improved upon and it will make more of a difference that any pair of speakers , amp or anything else you would buy.
the room IMHO is the number one variable that can change the sound
define ‘ this’
I mentioned that I hired someone to teach me about acoustics.
i experimented , took measurements etc for over two years.
and I have been playing music for over 35 years. Which god that sounds like I’m bragging or something. But I’m not. It’s a pretty substantial variable in sound.
I mean if I were an audiophile and didn’t play music I would look to a musician to tell me what timbre is more accurate than others. You don’t have to though of course.
that’s just my ’ strong’ point in all this.
the rest I am learning now.
so yeah my room wasn’t easy in the least.
thats why it took me over two years to get to the result I did. ( if you saw in the graphs )
if I was a genius , it wouldn’t have taken me that long. Lol.
i serious.
i just kept at it and learned.
now I want to tackle speakers a bit and learn
Well no I never said Im a sound engineer. Lol
i actually recorded stuff in my DAW and wasn’t that good at it.
ha
but I mean I know what some instruments sound like. And am so intimate with guitar especially that I know what it also ‘ feels ‘ like. That may sound weird. But when you play an instrument there is feedback you get on your fingers when playing it.
so yeah it’s pretty intimate.
so yeah. Not any thing close to being knowledgeable in sound production.
but knowing what a guitar, piano and violin sound like? Very
i actually recorded stuff in my DAW and wasn’t that good at it.
ha
but I mean I know what some instruments sound like. And am so intimate with guitar especially that I know what it also ‘ feels ‘ like. That may sound weird. But when you play an instrument there is feedback you get on your fingers when playing it.
so yeah it’s pretty intimate.
so yeah. Not any thing close to being knowledgeable in sound production.
but knowing what a guitar, piano and violin sound like? Very
I mean look at those two impulse responses
you can’t say that’s not insanely impressive. Lol
again not bragging. If I were really good it wouldn’t have taken me two years to make it that good.
but I’m not.
so it took me two years and then some.
but I did learn quite a bit from it. So when I move to another place hopefully it won’t take me two years again. Lol.
well small incremental improvements will still happen over the years.
but I think I will get to a better spot acoustically quicker than the first time around
Hopefully I will.
or else then I’m really dumb. Lol
you can’t say that’s not insanely impressive. Lol
again not bragging. If I were really good it wouldn’t have taken me two years to make it that good.
but I’m not.
so it took me two years and then some.
but I did learn quite a bit from it. So when I move to another place hopefully it won’t take me two years again. Lol.
well small incremental improvements will still happen over the years.
but I think I will get to a better spot acoustically quicker than the first time around
Hopefully I will.
or else then I’m really dumb. Lol
im afraid i dont understand your impulse response as i dont understand what they mean lol
can you post your frequency response from the listening positon. cause i can see many frequency response but in small image on the left in your graphs...
vertical reflection? ah, this Toole opinion. yeah, wonder why studio use treatment on the ceiling? cause its a first reflection point for anyone with less then 15 feet ceiling.
same with side reflection. in small room, always treat them. I suggest you drop thie Toole BS, and go get educated at Gik acoustic. they at least know how to deal with small rooms acoustics.
Toole conclusions often were made in huge 25 feet wide rooms...
its not a radiator, lol, its the bass trap/first reflection panel... im afraid ive maxed out my acoustic situation. ive now measured both audax and phl and the 500hz to 2khz ripples remains. really not sure what it means. clearly it cannot be the bed as it seems to really cover my midrange FREQ.
anyone know?
GIK sells panels. There’s bias right there
Toole and others did TONs of work and research with tons of funding from CA for their work.
he also did small room acoustics. Which he is actually more known for because of the lack of funding for smaller rooms. No one has put in money for small domestic rooms. No money in it.
a freq response will only tell you so much.
here I attached my freq response from my sitting position at a perfect vertical plane.
it doesn’t say more than what it portrays.
it doesn’t say , where there is stored energy in the room and what is ringing more
it doesnt portray the reflection points
it doesn’t say which freq have ms of delay.
it’s only one small part of the pic in room acoustics.
The other one is the RT60
that shows a lot more in just one graph
Toole and others did TONs of work and research with tons of funding from CA for their work.
he also did small room acoustics. Which he is actually more known for because of the lack of funding for smaller rooms. No one has put in money for small domestic rooms. No money in it.
a freq response will only tell you so much.
here I attached my freq response from my sitting position at a perfect vertical plane.
it doesn’t say more than what it portrays.
it doesn’t say , where there is stored energy in the room and what is ringing more
it doesnt portray the reflection points
it doesn’t say which freq have ms of delay.
it’s only one small part of the pic in room acoustics.
The other one is the RT60
that shows a lot more in just one graph
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if you take a freq sweep at your listening position and then go into your software and hit ‘ impulse’. It should be there.
that will show all the reflection in your room.
some will be more obvious than others in determining where they are coming from.
for the others you can do the math to see where they are coming from.
that will allow you to know where to put treatment.
Yes, Gik sells panels.
Their recommendations and understanding of room acoustic is completely aligned with what all the studio in the world does and what every acoustician recommends.
I disagree with Toole as my direct experience contredict his conclusions, which i repeat were often made in huge rooms, not small rooms. you should maybe look what rooms were used for his conclusions...
for your FREQ response, can you show no smoothing and no eq? how far is your listening position? can you just show speaker right then speaker left?
Wait you don’t know what an impulse response is or how to take an RT60 or don’t know what the ripples are in your graph from 500hz to 2khz
and you are asking me for a freq response with no smoothing?
or you are disagreeing with Toole??
forget me. But you don’t know these things but disagree with Toole?
ok, that’s cool. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No worries.
i just think that’s a bit odd
why do you want only a freq with no smoothing ?
what are you going to see from it?
and why do you always have an argument style in your responses?
its 1/6th smoothing.
and you are asking me for a freq response with no smoothing?
or you are disagreeing with Toole??
forget me. But you don’t know these things but disagree with Toole?
ok, that’s cool. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No worries.
i just think that’s a bit odd
why do you want only a freq with no smoothing ?
what are you going to see from it?
and why do you always have an argument style in your responses?
its 1/6th smoothing.
wow, i was freaking out about my burst decay. then ive looked on the net.
look at this!
https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=14345790&postcount=9
what a relief
ok my friend, good luck in your journey.
I never said that I was an expert as I mentioned.
if I was an expert it would take me two years to learn how to do it. As I also mentioned
and a +10db rise under 150hz is nothing abnormal for an in room response at all
its actually very normal or your bass will be very thin.
dont know about the personal attack.
if I was an expert it would take me two years to learn how to do it. As I also mentioned
and a +10db rise under 150hz is nothing abnormal for an in room response at all
its actually very normal or your bass will be very thin.
dont know about the personal attack.
Fact is that even with good absorbing materials, to get a boundary reflection' free from 100Hz and up', you need the 3 feet wedge shapes we all know from the acoustic labs. Otherwise the transition from air to damping material, however minimal, is concentrated in one plane. And that plane will reflect some sound.
One thing is for sure: acoustic treatments do help and are a lot more value for money than most audiophile tweaks.
One thing is for sure: acoustic treatments do help and are a lot more value for money than most audiophile tweaks.
yes, most important tweak you can do is acoustic treatments in a room.
The room is the most important and speaker setup IMHO.
Putting in too much acoustic absorbers in a room not only will make it dead sounding but they can actually make it smaller sounding.
im also in the camp that likes a bit of side reflections to give space to the soundstage.
The room is the most important and speaker setup IMHO.
Putting in too much acoustic absorbers in a room not only will make it dead sounding but they can actually make it smaller sounding.
im also in the camp that likes a bit of side reflections to give space to the soundstage.
Don’t have to be sorry.
im going to be putting it together tomorrow since it’s been 37C here and hot.
not much listening with the A/C on all the time.
But alas gentlemen my time has come to a close here.
this forum isn’t for me.
I want to learn from this process and most importantly have fun.
The personal attacks and meaningless anger is not what I am looking for at the expense of learning.
At 53 you just don’t care about that stuff anymore and quietly go where it’s warm.
You don’t have time for meaningless silly anger etc.
Nice to have met some of your acquaintances while I was here and thanks for the help along the way!
As I always posted I super appreciate it and meant that.
Cheers and the best of luck, health and happiness to you all!
Nick
if the moderators can either delete my content or not. It doesn’t matter to me
I also haven’t found a way to delete my account. I’ll take that up with the moderators.
Cheers!
im going to be putting it together tomorrow since it’s been 37C here and hot.
not much listening with the A/C on all the time.
But alas gentlemen my time has come to a close here.
this forum isn’t for me.
I want to learn from this process and most importantly have fun.
The personal attacks and meaningless anger is not what I am looking for at the expense of learning.
At 53 you just don’t care about that stuff anymore and quietly go where it’s warm.
You don’t have time for meaningless silly anger etc.
Nice to have met some of your acquaintances while I was here and thanks for the help along the way!
As I always posted I super appreciate it and meant that.
Cheers and the best of luck, health and happiness to you all!
Nick
if the moderators can either delete my content or not. It doesn’t matter to me
I also haven’t found a way to delete my account. I’ll take that up with the moderators.
Cheers!
It's never too late to put the crossover out of the box
I mean, to think of it
I'd avoid to use the binding posts, too
I mean, to think of it
I'd avoid to use the binding posts, too