Hey. Fellow true music audio nirvana hifi seeking dudes. 🙂
The term ”burn in” signal simply reaks of bullcrap and old snake oil.
Wellz.
Play this on your system. 10 hours. High volume. Not insane, just medium high. To get them tweeters, midranges, and multiple large woofers to soften up.
Get them to effortlessly reveal the mcrodetails. The warm and juicy details. The powerful room and sofa shaking firm and powerful bass. And sub bass.
The class A Pass Sound 🙂
Do it!
A serious listening test whitout a 24 h warmup is not a serious listening test?
Do the mnimum 10 hour pink noice system stretch and warmup. Do you hear a clear improvement?
The term ”burn in” signal simply reaks of bullcrap and old snake oil.
Wellz.
Play this on your system. 10 hours. High volume. Not insane, just medium high. To get them tweeters, midranges, and multiple large woofers to soften up.
Get them to effortlessly reveal the mcrodetails. The warm and juicy details. The powerful room and sofa shaking firm and powerful bass. And sub bass.
The class A Pass Sound 🙂
Do it!
A serious listening test whitout a 24 h warmup is not a serious listening test?
Do the mnimum 10 hour pink noice system stretch and warmup. Do you hear a clear improvement?
"Wellz", we know electrons like to flow, versus just sit there in a stagnant cloud. Makes you wonder how much of "Class A" sound that is.
My wife would kill me...
My wife would kill me...
You can do a fairly loud speaker break-in with little audible sound by feeding both channels the exact same signal,
but connecting the speakers out of phase. Then place the speakers facing each other, about 1" apart.
You'll hear almost nothing with regular box speakers. Open baffle types, not so much.
but connecting the speakers out of phase. Then place the speakers facing each other, about 1" apart.
You'll hear almost nothing with regular box speakers. Open baffle types, not so much.
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What exactly is 'softening up' and how long does it stay 'soft' for? a day, a week, a month, forever?
I am not sure about that. To be honest. What do you think?
Test it, it is free, well almost 😇👍
Another little bit more stiff reply is: Every single sound producing entity in the known universe needs to be given some softening, and stretching:
iT is designed to move. The suspension travel, unused, freezes up.
Simple physics 🙂
iT is designed to move. The suspension travel, unused, freezes up.
Simple physics 🙂
New speaker burn in is as real as it gets. Lots of speaker parameters are changing till they settle and remain relatively constant. New glue, new surround, new spider all needs to settle. Nothing new, plenty of well documented studies.
One thing i do not understand, why is this in pass labs forum. Based on first post it clearly belongs to lounge.
One thing i do not understand, why is this in pass labs forum. Based on first post it clearly belongs to lounge.
I'm in permanent state of Audio Nirvana, so why should I bother with pinkynoisee? 
my system is divine ( all of them ) be it cold or warm
my system is divine ( all of them ) be it cold or warm
JeyDee:
I don't know how effective a pink noise video on YouTube would be, but I agree with you about the value of burning in your audio gear. About a year ago, I posted a note about a Jim Hagerman FryBaby2 burn-in device I had built (https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/frybaby2-burn-in-generator.365991/). The FryBaby2 works great -- I've loaned it out to friends and we've all had the same very positive result. I love the diyAudio community, but in general it doesn't seem particularly receptive to the notion that components can be improved by a caustic audio signal (as evidence, I offer the underwhelming response my post received).
In any event, I second your notion.
Regards,
Scott
I don't know how effective a pink noise video on YouTube would be, but I agree with you about the value of burning in your audio gear. About a year ago, I posted a note about a Jim Hagerman FryBaby2 burn-in device I had built (https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/frybaby2-burn-in-generator.365991/). The FryBaby2 works great -- I've loaned it out to friends and we've all had the same very positive result. I love the diyAudio community, but in general it doesn't seem particularly receptive to the notion that components can be improved by a caustic audio signal (as evidence, I offer the underwhelming response my post received).
In any event, I second your notion.
Regards,
Scott
And: your amplifier needs to stabilise.
Again: Simple physics.
So.
Use your own ears.Trust your ears. Do you smile?
Measurments are extremely important.
But:
If it sings, and you are smiling, well, that is pure and utter KING.
Again: Simple physics.
So.
Use your own ears.Trust your ears. Do you smile?
Measurments are extremely important.
But:
If it sings, and you are smiling, well, that is pure and utter KING.
We do know, as it follows the laws of physics not legless reptile extract:
Caps, both film and electrolytics "form" after some time. Just what parameters this effects, I am not sure, but I believe it has to do with DF more than anything. I do not believe ceramics have this property. As I understand, a long absence of charge they will return to the original state. Any effect on the transfer function would depend on where in the circuit it is used.
Drivers do "limber up" with use depending on the surround and more significantly the spider. It varies driver to driver design. If and how long it takes to re-establish bonds within the material depends on the material. Basic materials science. Of course, most "plastic" materials slowly stiffen with time as the plasticizer evaporates. The extreme is foam surrounds that as they embrittle, the fall apart so resist movement less even they though they are actually less elastic.
Drivers limber as they get warm from continuous use. Again, basic materials science. Drivers are designed to minimize these issues with improvements in materials. Not like it was with paper surrounds and flax spiders.
Now as far as the extreme description from the OP, well that is best described as placebo effect. The above changes are very, very subtle and most people will not hear then without some training. As far as any ABX testing, yes everything should be warmed up and stabilized. Specifically the output transistor temps and bias. Much bigger difference than cap forming.
Caps, both film and electrolytics "form" after some time. Just what parameters this effects, I am not sure, but I believe it has to do with DF more than anything. I do not believe ceramics have this property. As I understand, a long absence of charge they will return to the original state. Any effect on the transfer function would depend on where in the circuit it is used.
Drivers do "limber up" with use depending on the surround and more significantly the spider. It varies driver to driver design. If and how long it takes to re-establish bonds within the material depends on the material. Basic materials science. Of course, most "plastic" materials slowly stiffen with time as the plasticizer evaporates. The extreme is foam surrounds that as they embrittle, the fall apart so resist movement less even they though they are actually less elastic.
Drivers limber as they get warm from continuous use. Again, basic materials science. Drivers are designed to minimize these issues with improvements in materials. Not like it was with paper surrounds and flax spiders.
Now as far as the extreme description from the OP, well that is best described as placebo effect. The above changes are very, very subtle and most people will not hear then without some training. As far as any ABX testing, yes everything should be warmed up and stabilized. Specifically the output transistor temps and bias. Much bigger difference than cap forming.
I think your physics are too simple...
Will a brand new driver bed in after a few cycles. Probably. But unless it's really badly made no more than a few minutes. Likewise if temperature rise above ambient in use gives a measureable change in operating parameters then it's probably not the solution for me. And electronics that doesn't stabilise in 10 minutes doesn't float my boat either. but clearly electrolytics that have been out of use for years might need some time.
Actually my friend has done it. He built a pair of huge Onken boxes, with some 40 cm woofers. And he wanted to burn it in, so he connected a noise generator to the aplifier input, and let it run for days, while he was away for work. The result was, as he reported: "my mother-in-law said I want to kill her...", the poor soul was at home all day long and could not escape from the terrible squeeking-rumbling loud noise.
Well, now you all are ready to enjoy the fruits of your stereos 10 hour pink noice warmup and stretch?
Time to truely enjoy your life, and happily smile to this very massively juicy groove at the highest resolution, and of course:
Crankit up!!!
🙂
Time to truely enjoy your life, and happily smile to this very massively juicy groove at the highest resolution, and of course:
Crankit up!!!
🙂
As I asked previously; are the U-tube links just to show the album cover, or is it actually useful to listen to as "source"? Anyone know what the sound goes through, between upload and download? Depends on the device your using to "Watch on"?