I know this thread is likely going to be locked if people don't keep it objective to the end result of the current situation (not here to talk about the situation, just the impact in tubes and likely on New Sensor, not sure if there are other relevant factories in the region), but it appears most retailers have increases retail prices in the past week AND many are sold out/backordered (with a status TBD) on top of those price increases. I know there are some factory options in other nations, but not sure of the quality, capacity, etc. NOS is not an option for many tubes (or vastly more expensive). Going to be interesting.
With the pandemic the quality has gone downhill and delivery times have shot up - wait a year before delivery and price to be determined. Hoarding has already started.
Locked hell - try deleted.
Recent events might trigger a run on old stock horizontal sweep tubes, as those of us that can redesign our equipment to take them will.
Recent events might trigger a run on old stock horizontal sweep tubes, as those of us that can redesign our equipment to take them will.
JJ has no problems delivering tubes man in EU. I do understand that many people refuses to support russian products.
I use Russian tubes (6C4C) and fortunately I already bought a few. I'm not going to buy from Russia in the current situation, and anyway you can't since the post has been stopped as far as I know. All imports from Russia will be hit, which is totally understandable given the situation.
I am talking in light of literally the past 6 days, not before that. I expect it is too early to tell if their products will be exported (to Europe, US, Canada, etc.) for the time being. I am not sure what restrictions are in place today or might be in the future.
Again just focusing on the realities of the situation and not what people should or should not do.
I ordered some tubes maybe half a day before all this happened and i just got a tracking confirmation today so i think the mail is still going out. How long it'll take for me to get them is a whole other story.
Guess situation will go back to normal one way or another, so supply will eventually restart.
After all, Tea imports from UK DID restart, didn´t they?
German - Japanese - Italian cars too.
That said, price gouging, hoarding, etc. are completely unnecessary, no supplier sells tubes from just arrived, just opened cartons, normal Commercial procurement has a typical time flow, with fresh deliveries having been ordered at least 30 to 60 days before, if not longer, plus they DO have warehouses with more or less stock.
I mean, "one week" has NO real impact, it takes way longer.
COVID has been with us over 2 years, so it definitely had an impact.
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Remember "Cast Away?"
Just pray your plane does not meet an unexpected storm over the Pacific 🙁
After all, Tea imports from UK DID restart, didn´t they?
German - Japanese - Italian cars too.
That said, price gouging, hoarding, etc. are completely unnecessary, no supplier sells tubes from just arrived, just opened cartons, normal Commercial procurement has a typical time flow, with fresh deliveries having been ordered at least 30 to 60 days before, if not longer, plus they DO have warehouses with more or less stock.
I mean, "one week" has NO real impact, it takes way longer.
COVID has been with us over 2 years, so it definitely had an impact.
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Don´t worry, doubt Couriers use Russian flag planes anyway, but in any case, there are hundreds of Air companies , plus Chartered transports plus companies using own planes.
Remember "Cast Away?"
Just pray your plane does not meet an unexpected storm over the Pacific 🙁
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Bear in mind that Russian tube sellers may not want to post tubes if they will go missing. Happened to me on ebay - the seller repaid me and didn't post the tubes.
You are missing the point. Until last week there was no issue buying products from Russia. That was last week. The situation has changed dramatically for those in many Western nations.
Exactly. And particularly if a crypto currency is offered as an alternative for payment. Every little thing could ultimately tip the balance.
There is always Thomas Mayer in Germany making some boutique tubes - unfortunately his prices are out of reach for most of us.
https://vinylsavor.blogspot.com/search/label/ELROG
https://www.elrog.com/prices/
https://vinylsavor.blogspot.com/search/label/ELROG
https://www.elrog.com/prices/
I'm not asking about that, just the end result is no matter your views, a massive supplier (Russia) of new tubes is likely off the table for some time, either legally or for personal reasons.
Does that leave Chinese options, and high end boutique options?
So where do the “high end boutique options” REALLY come from? The factory has to be somewhere, and there are only a few places it can be. If Eastern Europe and China are both off the table for whatever reason, where does that actually leave you? A tube (transistor or whatever) made in China, bought by a third party, put through strict quality control, relabeled, and marked up 800% is still made in China.
As I recall there are some factories out of China and Russia but they are out of reach cost wise. For example Elrog, those are from Germany.
If they made 6L6GC’s in the US they’d be $600 apiece. And somehow I don’t think anyone had vacuum tube factories in mind with Build Back Better, so I wouldn’t hold my breath. It may very well come down to “Pay too much or not at all.” Its ALREADY that way for some semiconductors - try getting a 200 volt 100 amp TO-220 mosfet. Only ones in stock are older varieties that are overpriced by a factor of three. With lead times on the new desirable types that may very well be longer than this war. And ultimately, there WILL be new semiconductor fabs built. Probably NOT another tube factory.
One of the largest is JJ, located in slovakia , within EU. Certenly not out of reach