You misunderstand. 🙂
I simply posted my figure in answer to "work that one out" before seeing that you had added your figure to your post.
P.S. For what it's worth, I used the Bank of England calculator. As you say, the different calculators make different assumptions.
I simply posted my figure in answer to "work that one out" before seeing that you had added your figure to your post.
P.S. For what it's worth, I used the Bank of England calculator. As you say, the different calculators make different assumptions.
I happen to have given away virtually all my LPs (upwards of 3,000) to a music lover and audiophile approximately 25.years ago when I adopted CD as my primary format for music delivery in my home. I did have to re-purchase some CDs as much as 3 times from the poorly sourced and mastered CDs in the mid-1980s to the initial remasters, to the best remasters that go to original tracking tapes and are remixed (ideally, to match the original mix but that does not always happen). Nonetheless I've never once regretted, from an audiophile's perspective, my decision to transition to digital - and this is not cognitive dissonance reduction at work (I do sometimes think I should have kept some of those LPs to sell on E-bay and make a killing). I acknowledge that, when listed to on the best LP playback systems, LPs sound great and beat CDs (although the margin is not so large anymore). I've tested this over the years by visits to high end shops (now very hard to find).
I love to hear music delivered in the highest audio/sonic quality, but for me the sound quality is, fundamentally, not the be-all and end-all of MY listening. Moreover, I simply got tired of the endless tweaking and optimization required to play records. My system then:Kenwood KD600 direct drive turntable - beats the pants of the Technics 1200 and comes with blank mounting surfaces to punch for your tonearm; first an Infinity Back Widow tom=nearm and later AR tonearm (this is NOT the arm from the AR turntable!0, a variety of cartridges until =I settled for mid-level induced magnet Grade, PS Audio IV-H preamp and ACR SP-3A preamps, a variety of amps ending with a Carver M400, and a variety of speakers, ending with Vandersteen Iic on Sound Foundation stands. To help set-up, one of those protractors (can't remember name) and Shure stylus pressure gauge, a dishwasher brush and later a carbon fiber brush, a Zerostat to reduce static, various platter mats, and a disc clamp (a=gain, can't remember name after all these years). Controlling stylus pressure, stylus angle, offset, anti-skating...Darn, I just wanna listen to the music. I can listen to tape hiss, no problem, but the snap crackle and pop of dust and junk in the groove drove me crazy. Not to mention skips when the stylus was thrown out of the groove on heavily modulated sections. Anyone hear like inner groove compression and distortion? I hated it when listening to the penultimate movement of a symphony or classical piece in the inner grooves just before the lead-out, that the distortion would increase, the dynamic range would decrease and the overall fidelity would take a nosedive. Oh, and I forgot that I needed to replace my stylus assembly each year not because of needle wear, but because of elastomer suspension/damping degradation in the style assembly. That gets to be a significant expense over the years.
And it was depressing to think that I spent so much money and time listening to LPS which were often delivered warped, with non-center punched spindle holes, using remanufactured vinyl (I mean, I put my foot down when I see a tiny piece of label embedded in the vinyl). Yes, I owned upwards of 50+ Nautilus and Original Mater Recording LPs. Indeed, I believe that OMR's release of an Oregon LP (Distant Hills - look it up) was due to my letter to OMR suggesting that they release that album, inasmuch as it was recorded at a great studio with a minimalist sound path on tape machines running at 30 its.
When I hear some (usually) young person talk about the "great/warm sound of vinyl," I inquire politely what system they are using to play it, and what they do to set up their system. They unfailingly describe equipment that is junk, and ask me what I mean by "set-up." Please forgive me when I start inwardly laughing hysterically.
Finally, I readily acknowledge that at 65+ years of age, my hearing perception of high frequencies is much more restricted than I was at 45 years of age. This is the result of natural aging processes, as well as possible over-exposure to excessive sound pressure via headphones, leading to tinnitus. The tinnitus is especially troublesome as it masks fine details even in the midrange: things I know were on the CD can no longer be heard today.
While I recognize that many individuals posting on this forum - and on this thread in particular - are not your typical average Joe and Jill on the street with respect to their LP playback systems, I do think those who are castigating us CD lovers should step back and consider the competing imperatives that lead many individuals such as I to choose CDs over vinyl, despite (at least in my case) my open and non-begrudging acknowledgement of the ultimate sonic superiority of vinyl when played on the proper (read expensive), well-set up and well-maintained LP playback system.
Thank you for reading this long rant.
I love to hear music delivered in the highest audio/sonic quality, but for me the sound quality is, fundamentally, not the be-all and end-all of MY listening. Moreover, I simply got tired of the endless tweaking and optimization required to play records. My system then:Kenwood KD600 direct drive turntable - beats the pants of the Technics 1200 and comes with blank mounting surfaces to punch for your tonearm; first an Infinity Back Widow tom=nearm and later AR tonearm (this is NOT the arm from the AR turntable!0, a variety of cartridges until =I settled for mid-level induced magnet Grade, PS Audio IV-H preamp and ACR SP-3A preamps, a variety of amps ending with a Carver M400, and a variety of speakers, ending with Vandersteen Iic on Sound Foundation stands. To help set-up, one of those protractors (can't remember name) and Shure stylus pressure gauge, a dishwasher brush and later a carbon fiber brush, a Zerostat to reduce static, various platter mats, and a disc clamp (a=gain, can't remember name after all these years). Controlling stylus pressure, stylus angle, offset, anti-skating...Darn, I just wanna listen to the music. I can listen to tape hiss, no problem, but the snap crackle and pop of dust and junk in the groove drove me crazy. Not to mention skips when the stylus was thrown out of the groove on heavily modulated sections. Anyone hear like inner groove compression and distortion? I hated it when listening to the penultimate movement of a symphony or classical piece in the inner grooves just before the lead-out, that the distortion would increase, the dynamic range would decrease and the overall fidelity would take a nosedive. Oh, and I forgot that I needed to replace my stylus assembly each year not because of needle wear, but because of elastomer suspension/damping degradation in the style assembly. That gets to be a significant expense over the years.
And it was depressing to think that I spent so much money and time listening to LPS which were often delivered warped, with non-center punched spindle holes, using remanufactured vinyl (I mean, I put my foot down when I see a tiny piece of label embedded in the vinyl). Yes, I owned upwards of 50+ Nautilus and Original Mater Recording LPs. Indeed, I believe that OMR's release of an Oregon LP (Distant Hills - look it up) was due to my letter to OMR suggesting that they release that album, inasmuch as it was recorded at a great studio with a minimalist sound path on tape machines running at 30 its.
When I hear some (usually) young person talk about the "great/warm sound of vinyl," I inquire politely what system they are using to play it, and what they do to set up their system. They unfailingly describe equipment that is junk, and ask me what I mean by "set-up." Please forgive me when I start inwardly laughing hysterically.
Finally, I readily acknowledge that at 65+ years of age, my hearing perception of high frequencies is much more restricted than I was at 45 years of age. This is the result of natural aging processes, as well as possible over-exposure to excessive sound pressure via headphones, leading to tinnitus. The tinnitus is especially troublesome as it masks fine details even in the midrange: things I know were on the CD can no longer be heard today.
While I recognize that many individuals posting on this forum - and on this thread in particular - are not your typical average Joe and Jill on the street with respect to their LP playback systems, I do think those who are castigating us CD lovers should step back and consider the competing imperatives that lead many individuals such as I to choose CDs over vinyl, despite (at least in my case) my open and non-begrudging acknowledgement of the ultimate sonic superiority of vinyl when played on the proper (read expensive), well-set up and well-maintained LP playback system.
Thank you for reading this long rant.
Blame the guy with the longboard and the cranberry juice. 🙂. It is a great album, IMNSHO.
I have a decent pile of vinyl albums (including Rumours), boxes full of CDs from the past 40 years, and I listen to various online steaming services (Pandora). I was gifted a fairly nice album collection recently and I am spending time discovering a lot of new-to-me music (Keith Jarrett - The Koln Concert. Just... wow.)
I really don't care about the format. I just want to enjoy music. The people who insist that you must listen to a specific format in order to truly enjoy music are full of themselves and really missing the point. Sad for them. I guess they also don't go to concerts.
My most recent experiences, especially across the past few years, has been that supplied vinyl is returned more often than kept when bought new.
I have no real upset with this, as I have a specific reason for the purchases, and the supplier is quite happy to receive their product back and make a refund.
This experience has led myself to consider another strategy for purchasing, which is not tried yet, the change will be to Buy a Batch of Five of the same LP's and select the best condition one from the group.
If a good one is discovered keep it and return the ones not Opened or opened and rejected, this will require only one visit to the post office to arrange the return, it can be a little frustrating when the same Album is returned on two occasions, prior to one that is in a non concerning condition arrives.
I think there is a fairness in doing this as the idea that a supplied Vinyl LP can be below a expected quality is in my case a little too regular in occurring.
My Interest in purchasing Vinyl is with myself for a very long time, but it was mainly select purchases for quite a long period, recently this changed and I began to purchase more frequently over the past three years.
This resulted from a decision I made when I learnt that the Hard Mediums , is the item that allows a upcoming Artist to achieve the best return for their work, as this product is now more regularly referred to today as a Merchandise by the Artist, the sale of a Hard Medium, can offer the Artist exponential increased margins for remuneration when compared to a streaming remuneration of the same produced material.
Fortunately for Vinyl Enthusiasts, the 'go to' Hard Medium and the Trend at present is for a New Artist to have the Vinyl LP produced as their Merchandise, and I am happy to get on board and allocate an increased fund for purchasing New Artists Vinyl Releases.
I have no real upset with this, as I have a specific reason for the purchases, and the supplier is quite happy to receive their product back and make a refund.
This experience has led myself to consider another strategy for purchasing, which is not tried yet, the change will be to Buy a Batch of Five of the same LP's and select the best condition one from the group.
If a good one is discovered keep it and return the ones not Opened or opened and rejected, this will require only one visit to the post office to arrange the return, it can be a little frustrating when the same Album is returned on two occasions, prior to one that is in a non concerning condition arrives.
I think there is a fairness in doing this as the idea that a supplied Vinyl LP can be below a expected quality is in my case a little too regular in occurring.
My Interest in purchasing Vinyl is with myself for a very long time, but it was mainly select purchases for quite a long period, recently this changed and I began to purchase more frequently over the past three years.
This resulted from a decision I made when I learnt that the Hard Mediums , is the item that allows a upcoming Artist to achieve the best return for their work, as this product is now more regularly referred to today as a Merchandise by the Artist, the sale of a Hard Medium, can offer the Artist exponential increased margins for remuneration when compared to a streaming remuneration of the same produced material.
Fortunately for Vinyl Enthusiasts, the 'go to' Hard Medium and the Trend at present is for a New Artist to have the Vinyl LP produced as their Merchandise, and I am happy to get on board and allocate an increased fund for purchasing New Artists Vinyl Releases.
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I like vinyl, plan to buy more. I don’t have a fancy set up, its quite cheap. I doesnt sound as clean as CD. I like vinyl because its fun, its a process, rather like I prefer charcoal bbq’s
I am such a fool who has to bow to your stable-minded massive wisdom😊All those fools (are you one of them?) that chose to toss their records for CD, (I hate that lousy modern term 'vinyl') that now desire to re-replace their records are at the mercy of modern-day offerings.
You bought into the "trendy" digital CD era media, the music industry continued to profit, and you paid.
And now you have to pay again.
Stable-minded as I am, I still have my record collections, so I'm way ahead of the ball game.
For many, vinyl represents a bit of nostalgia.
I've quite a few jazz albums from the late fifties and sixties. I still play some now and again. About forty years or more ago they became deleted.
But suddenly CDs arrived and many of these album were re-isssued on CD. So I bought a few of those of the particular albums I had which by then were getting a bit tired. But I would never dream of throwing them out. Though I don't play them. They're doing no harm with the rest of the others on their shelf.
I occasionally buy 45s if I can find them in really good condition, for my two jukeboxes. But these tend to be from decades ago. Though if I hear something contemporary that I think would fit the genre in which I'm interested and it's available on a 45 I'll buy it. This doesn't happen very often. But I bought this a two years ago as it fits well with my box that has Motown, similar and R&B.
I've quite a few jazz albums from the late fifties and sixties. I still play some now and again. About forty years or more ago they became deleted.
But suddenly CDs arrived and many of these album were re-isssued on CD. So I bought a few of those of the particular albums I had which by then were getting a bit tired. But I would never dream of throwing them out. Though I don't play them. They're doing no harm with the rest of the others on their shelf.
I occasionally buy 45s if I can find them in really good condition, for my two jukeboxes. But these tend to be from decades ago. Though if I hear something contemporary that I think would fit the genre in which I'm interested and it's available on a 45 I'll buy it. This doesn't happen very often. But I bought this a two years ago as it fits well with my box that has Motown, similar and R&B.
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So many people have told me that they "wished" they never tossed their records.
Friends, customers, etc.
Usually, their mindset at the time was saving space, or being "thrilled" with the convenience or quality of CD's.
And this is what the music industry, audio manufacturers, and advertising companies were counting on, to boost their income, and keep milking the public.
They call it 'cash flow', from you, to them.
I believe it's a sneaky, shady practice, that keeps society on a leash, and has gotten worse over time.
I now "wish" I kept my CD's instead of ripping them all and getting rid of them - some CD's are actually worth more than the polycarbonate they are made off apparently!
I kept my records though. Discogs says my vinyl is worth ~10,000$ median value. I didn't catalog my shellac yet but I have hundreds of 78's. I think my oldest is from 1920 or so.
I kept my records though. Discogs says my vinyl is worth ~10,000$ median value. I didn't catalog my shellac yet but I have hundreds of 78's. I think my oldest is from 1920 or so.
I'm always distrustful of anything digital. I know it's far more convenient than physical media.
I've a few thousand mp3s like many, but I have them in three different places, they're on two separate hard drives to my laptop and on a stick.
All my financial spreadsheets etc., are on the hard drives and on another stick.
I keep nothing of importance on my lap top. But it's a pain backing stuff up, but I discipline myself to do it.
I also refuse to go "paperless." Although I do keep the same stuff on the hard drives. Surviving a computer crash can be extremely difficult without backup.
I've a few thousand mp3s like many, but I have them in three different places, they're on two separate hard drives to my laptop and on a stick.
All my financial spreadsheets etc., are on the hard drives and on another stick.
I keep nothing of importance on my lap top. But it's a pain backing stuff up, but I discipline myself to do it.
I also refuse to go "paperless." Although I do keep the same stuff on the hard drives. Surviving a computer crash can be extremely difficult without backup.
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These days I have a backup, and anything somewhat important is online. My digital music collection is about 1.4TB now. I would need a bloody warehouse for that much music on records...
Casssettes were necessary for music in your car. I had a Mk 3 "Life on Mars" 2lt Cortina GXL in the early seventies and I bought I think it was a Pioneer, radio/ cassette player for it which had "seek." So you could skip tracks with the push of a button. Just as you can nearly fifty years later with a CD or mp3 player. It cost in today's money nearly £1000, trade.
But you could borrow albums and usually get a complete album on each side of a C90.
Don't write much on this forum but as an ex engineer who has produced many recordings onto vinyl I can assure you it is much more difficult to get anything like the sound you had in studio on this medium than digitising the same tape (yes I'm ythat old). Occasionally but not often the compression and filter artifacts involved in the volocity equalisation (and many capacitors and potentially overloaded circuits that give rise to the riaa curve both ends) improve the final mix... But mainly they change and colour the desired result.
Slightly exaggerated but if you really love this sound it's like also only using Kodachrome photos and no digital.. nice colours but you are really cutting off your potential for other landscapes..
And there is the effort sciping those crap tracks to consider too...
As you might guess it's outdated in my opinion...
But if you like 35mm photos...
Slightly exaggerated but if you really love this sound it's like also only using Kodachrome photos and no digital.. nice colours but you are really cutting off your potential for other landscapes..
And there is the effort sciping those crap tracks to consider too...
As you might guess it's outdated in my opinion...
But if you like 35mm photos...
Not true in the record industry.The master was on tapes and had better dynamic when recorded and played with a professional noise recording system.Cassettes and reel to reel were the way to keep vinyl undamaged for a longer time in end user world...Fostex was the only company to figure out that dolby s chips were better for narrow 24 track reel to reel playing on 1 inch tapes and made few machines that exploited that feature.