Not quite...
The basket used in some MCM drivers, mainly the 'MCM Select' series of drivers from now Newark/Farnell and formerly MCM Electronics, is not sourced from MCM and is an open-source part from plenty of manufacturers because it is strong and solid. I've seen it in Accuton, Zaph, MCM, Airborne, and others.
However, it is used a LOT from the build-house of Airborne drivers. I can't remember the name at the moment.
Wolf
Yes, Satori MW 13TX is definitely one of the best midwoofers, but rather expensive 280€. Most likely worth the money still?
Another "promising"expensive mid is Accuton Cell C90 for 620$ but I couldn't find it's directivity measurements. Older C90 is OK
Another "promising"expensive mid is Accuton Cell C90 for 620$ but I couldn't find it's directivity measurements. Older C90 is OK
Sorry for a possibly dumb question, but if 1-3kHz with good directivity is the most important driver doesn't this push the solution more towards a sizeable horn from 1kHz upwards?
Big horn must have xo around 1kHz, and making that to match smoothly to woofer (or low mid cone) is very difficult. And this thread is about midrange drivers...
Every type of loudspeaker has some issues to overcome, be it fullrange, planar, multiway dynamic, horn or whatever... And each will sound different mostly because of directivity, bass and distortion characteristics. I have been most pleased with some 3 or 4-way wide directivity or dipole speakers. Avoiding crossover 800-3000 Hz is one common feature of those.
Every type of loudspeaker has some issues to overcome, be it fullrange, planar, multiway dynamic, horn or whatever... And each will sound different mostly because of directivity, bass and distortion characteristics. I have been most pleased with some 3 or 4-way wide directivity or dipole speakers. Avoiding crossover 800-3000 Hz is one common feature of those.
All understood, but just trying to get my head around what really matters to you to be able to understand your points. The definition of 'midrange' is variable which also makes the trade offs interesting and this thread fascinating. I have an irrational love of ribbons so no worries about X-overs in the critial region but a whole host of other idiosyncrasies
The Satori is a very interesting candidate for a 3- way column/ tower covering the sensitive audio band.
Search for special transducer basket like John Krutke's ZA14 low-midrange driver
Hello Wolf, thanks for your quick reply ... but the website shows only assembled woofs not single or bunched baskets!
Gui-Sound
Seems like a well-kept secret where these attractive baskets are coming from!
keep tryin' to remember ;-)
Again thanks!
ps: Yes this looks like the basket I wanted but I doubt they will send me smaller quantities like 30 pieces for beginning of a small production by hand ...
http://www.gui-sound.com/uploadfiles/2008521163413771.jpg
Hello Wolf, thanks for your quick reply ... but the website shows only assembled woofs not single or bunched baskets!
Gui-Sound
Seems like a well-kept secret where these attractive baskets are coming from!
keep tryin' to remember ;-)
Again thanks!
ps: Yes this looks like the basket I wanted but I doubt they will send me smaller quantities like 30 pieces for beginning of a small production by hand ...
http://www.gui-sound.com/uploadfiles/2008521163413771.jpg
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Not sure It is usefull in a 4W, where you need less big bandwith in the low with such drivers, cause you will have a dedicated driver for the upper bass/low mid. Of course all is about the targeted cut-off in the low with it and the filter slope. But at that point I'm asking myself if such a so low HD is still hearable VS for instance two 3" ScanSpeak 10F in a MTM.
Of course wuth the Satori 13 you can have a lower cut-off than the 300 to 500 confort zone of this ScanSpeak !
But... the mms of the SS is only 3.5 g
(and sound is more than neutral to my ears) and the huge plus is no break ups in the high with the SS (although only +4 db at 6.5 kHz with the Satori). Means you can cut-off at 3 to 4kHz in relation to the Center to Center you choose and better efficienty at the end, plus certainly better dispersion (but what about the marriage with the lower driver, I don't know while I'm happy with a 8"). I mean all related to the price only.Well: trade offs, trade offs, as always !
Where I come out of this is with the SBA Textreme. I can get it, I like the size, and I can just about live with the price.
What I don't like is the FR graph, which looks all over the shop. Should one care?
I'm not building monitors, I want something that is a joy to listen to, so an FR like a plank is not required. However, that speaker looks a bit outside limits. What do people think?
What I don't like is the FR graph, which looks all over the shop. Should one care?
I'm not building monitors, I want something that is a joy to listen to, so an FR like a plank is not required. However, that speaker looks a bit outside limits. What do people think?
bah, if you have monney, go for the Purifi, if you want to spend less than the Textrene go for a SB15 NAC/BAC/CAC. All these 3 family of drivers (paper, metal, composit) are known for clear sound and good distorsion plots. quality of the design (filter, cabinet will do the difference mainly at the end). A
What I actually said was an FR "LIKE A PLANK" is not required. Everything is a set of compromises. For a studio monitor, a flat frequency response is the primary goal, and it's worth sacrificing transients, distortion etc for it.
These are not monitors, low distortion and transient ability are the primary goals, and since they are designed for DSP FR as in an overall slope is even less of an issue.
However these don't have a gently sloping FR. They have a jagged one. I'd have thought that was an issue...
Flat frequency response should be the primary target of any loudspeaker. It is the single most important factor in speaker design.
That said the MW13TX has a frequency response that's completely flat (slight rise) up until 3khz. I'd want to cross these around 2.5kHz anyway and you've got DSP to flatten any abnormalities so where's the problem?
That said the MW13TX has a frequency response that's completely flat (slight rise) up until 3khz. I'd want to cross these around 2.5kHz anyway and you've got DSP to flatten any abnormalities so where's the problem?