I do not think so. New members are introducing them, so why not saying goodbye as well?. Why not open a thread for members who are leaving? Many disappeared here quietly - and their reasons may have been enlighting.
Anyway I understand the frustration of the the TO very well. Sadly this looks like a general problem to me, not restricted to this specific forum.
Bill Murray Quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
I once dated a Girl that believed "epitome" meant "The Worst" because it had the word "pit" in it. I could not convince her that it meant the opposite. I said "Let's look it up in the dictionary together" She said "it is not me that needs to read the dictionary". She also believed "cunnilingus" was performed on a man. She was not the type to be corrected by anyone. Needless to say, that relationship did not last long.
The thing was I didn't feel the need to "cancel" her, I just accepted the fact that she did not have the mental capacity to reason, and question where she got all her incorrect information. I see her every now and then and can't help but just feel a bit sorry for her, and OK, laugh a little.
We just need to accept there are people that cannot change their understanding and beliefs.. and trying to change that is futile and just not worth the effort....
On the contrary, I fully understand that there is much that I do not know, and there is quite a bit to learn from a differing opinion (they say if two businessmen agree on everything, one is not needed). I am always learning something from this forum, and applaud the help and differing opinions this place offers.
I believe you are doing yourself and to this forum a disservice by giving up and going away....
Just my 2 cents...
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
I once dated a Girl that believed "epitome" meant "The Worst" because it had the word "pit" in it. I could not convince her that it meant the opposite. I said "Let's look it up in the dictionary together" She said "it is not me that needs to read the dictionary". She also believed "cunnilingus" was performed on a man. She was not the type to be corrected by anyone. Needless to say, that relationship did not last long.
The thing was I didn't feel the need to "cancel" her, I just accepted the fact that she did not have the mental capacity to reason, and question where she got all her incorrect information. I see her every now and then and can't help but just feel a bit sorry for her, and OK, laugh a little.
We just need to accept there are people that cannot change their understanding and beliefs.. and trying to change that is futile and just not worth the effort....
On the contrary, I fully understand that there is much that I do not know, and there is quite a bit to learn from a differing opinion (they say if two businessmen agree on everything, one is not needed). I am always learning something from this forum, and applaud the help and differing opinions this place offers.
I believe you are doing yourself and to this forum a disservice by giving up and going away....
Just my 2 cents...
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The ex-girlfriend story is the most hilarious thing I've heard all day!
Seriously, separating the wheat from the chaff is a necessary skill in any forum. Heck, it's a necessary skill in life - so I echo the sentiments of most of those here when I say that we're all the poorer without you.
...And just to think that all this time I thought 'epitome' referred to an online den of iniquity ('e-pit')...
Seriously, separating the wheat from the chaff is a necessary skill in any forum. Heck, it's a necessary skill in life - so I echo the sentiments of most of those here when I say that we're all the poorer without you.
...And just to think that all this time I thought 'epitome' referred to an online den of iniquity ('e-pit')...
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I share the disdain for endless topic-repetition, it’s worse than the repeats that I remember from British tv. And the misinformation is as rampant as an election campaign. It seems the forum was a better place when I first joined it and before all the really clever but socially inept folk got themselves banned. And so much commercial stuff hiding as DIY here and there.
Of course, my own contributions have been consistently above reproach (ha ha ha ha). Doesn’t it always seem this way as we get older? No worries, it’s still the best audio forum around 😀
Of course, my own contributions have been consistently above reproach (ha ha ha ha). Doesn’t it always seem this way as we get older? No worries, it’s still the best audio forum around 😀
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I mean, I understand the point the OP is making, but if you go to any forum you'll find issues that drive you insane. The point is to figure out how to separate the useful from the useless.
My biggest rant about this forum? Disorganization. We have 3000 page threads with no good table of contents. Hopefully that changes with the new software, and hopefully we can have some sort of upvote / agree thing to cut down on the "I agree" replies that clog up a thread.
I don't agree with the "subjectivist" mindset, but I'm also not bothered by it the way some people are. I'm a member of the ASR forum, which aims to address the "subjectivist problem", and all it seems to have done is replaced the misinformation about snakeoil products with rants about snakeoil products, rants about other review sites, and accusations that any expensive equipment that isn't up to Topping / Genelec standards is designed as snakeoil. It's really no less annoying, but it is a lot more negative.
DiyAudio remains a very well-moderated forum that (IMO) retains a good signal to noise ratio in a lot of threads. There is a handful of members who are exceptionally brilliant audio engineers, and a lot can be learned from what they have to say. The name-calling and general descent into a screaming flame war with comparisons to Hitler seems to happen a lot less often here than on most forums.
If you really think this forum is a mess, I invite you to look at Sailing Anarchy as an example of what a largely unmoderated forum looks like.
My biggest rant about this forum? Disorganization. We have 3000 page threads with no good table of contents. Hopefully that changes with the new software, and hopefully we can have some sort of upvote / agree thing to cut down on the "I agree" replies that clog up a thread.
I don't agree with the "subjectivist" mindset, but I'm also not bothered by it the way some people are. I'm a member of the ASR forum, which aims to address the "subjectivist problem", and all it seems to have done is replaced the misinformation about snakeoil products with rants about snakeoil products, rants about other review sites, and accusations that any expensive equipment that isn't up to Topping / Genelec standards is designed as snakeoil. It's really no less annoying, but it is a lot more negative.
DiyAudio remains a very well-moderated forum that (IMO) retains a good signal to noise ratio in a lot of threads. There is a handful of members who are exceptionally brilliant audio engineers, and a lot can be learned from what they have to say. The name-calling and general descent into a screaming flame war with comparisons to Hitler seems to happen a lot less often here than on most forums.
If you really think this forum is a mess, I invite you to look at Sailing Anarchy as an example of what a largely unmoderated forum looks like.
As you can see, many members share your concerns and frustrations. Many also recognize that you have knowledge and experience to share. Note that others have been bumped around during attempts to share knowledge. Forum member Stephe took a bunch of mess when she first attempted to share information and was ready to leave the Forum. Perhaps after encouragement from members to stay with us she developed some very well done videos. Her video series about a relatively inexpensive 300B amp is very good. By sticking with it she gained a lot of followers.
Give it a try. Put you knowledge out there so others can benefit. Best Regards, Bill
Give it a try. Put you knowledge out there so others can benefit. Best Regards, Bill
I would also suggest that the social differences in how “chat” or “forums” are used has changed with time. Compare 9600 baud bulletin boards, forums 10 years ago to the last 3 year with TikTok and messaging, blogs and videos changing the way we communicate and participate. Not that I suggest we discuss DIY audio via the medium of TikTok dance or eating liquid detergent capsules, but recognise the shift.
I have met quite a few self styled gurus that have continued to argue their point even in the face of paper report to the contrary. I personally like to know why and will probably annoy people like a child with questions. However I am DIYing it.. as an amateur.. for my own amusement to pass the time.
I have met quite a few self styled gurus that have continued to argue their point even in the face of paper report to the contrary. I personally like to know why and will probably annoy people like a child with questions. However I am DIYing it.. as an amateur.. for my own amusement to pass the time.
Like any forum, there are threads that stay civil and have useful and productive discussion that people benefit from, and then there are threads like these. I don't really recommend reading them at all, and if you do I really don't suggest reading more than a few posts. These are an example of what we want to AVOID. Garbage posts, attacks and fights.
A Scows - Sailing Anarchy - Sailing Anarchy Forums
Jack sparrow & LB15 thread - Corona Anarchy - Sailing Anarchy Forums
Totally unrelated forum, however, it is an interesting case study in how unmoderated (or grossly under-moderated) forums function. They can and do often have useful discussions that stay civil, but the worst threads on this forum are a walk in the park compared to what can happen on some forums.
I chose to use SA as an example because it's an ever-so-slightly less scary example of this type of discussion board than Reddit and Facebook.
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Life is too short to expend effort trading insults or correcting stupidity. Even more so with a connected world - if Aristotle was alive then I suspect he would have coined something along the lines of arguing with the world is urinating into the wind. It certainly is fatiguing and either adapt or burnout.
Ps iOS 15.8 autocorrect is bad it changes words without informing you!
😀... I 'd call it a relationsleep ! But that's cool, all you have to say is "yes darling, agreed" and to understand when she is saying Goodbye it means Hello, and vise versa 😛 .
I always loved girls that thought that "cunnilingus" was a cloud shape
It changes words that you’ve effectively told the system are the correct speiling
Check out the dictionary in settings , you can’t access the learnt word list though sadly, you can only delete the whole thing and start again
Simple advice for anger management: stay out of the free floating threads, and only concentrate on the DIYA true design threads, where matters are only occasionally discussed, but mostly designed, simulated, built, measured and optimized. Sort of audio PDCA cycle..
I always loved girls that thought that "cunnilingus" was a cloud shape
One of my favorite SNL skits: Colonel Angus Comes Home - SNL - YouTube
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Well Nannoo, looks you got it right. Even your goodbye thread derails into a train wreck which has nothing to do with the subject.
OTOH, Bernie88 got himself banned in less than a week after joining, so in that sense the moderation system works well.
You can't win them all I guess ;-)
Have fun,
Jan
OTOH, Bernie88 got himself banned in less than a week after joining, so in that sense the moderation system works well.
You can't win them all I guess ;-)
Have fun,
Jan
auto-b(h)an them all
... if threads derails it's that resistance is not futile and laughing sometimes can save from a boring inquisition. Some both understand the op and disagree in the same time hoping he will come back, so we don't say just amen and permits joke outside the rails showing there are maybe more reasons to stay here than going from station to station.
It's possible to do it all and we need everyone to make a world. A place where all the people are similar and agree, always staying on rails is called a dictature, thanks for us it is not here🙂... you can leave and come back. We have all ups and downs, "des hauts et débats" ! C'est la vie...
... if threads derails it's that resistance is not futile and laughing sometimes can save from a boring inquisition. Some both understand the op and disagree in the same time hoping he will come back, so we don't say just amen and permits joke outside the rails showing there are maybe more reasons to stay here than going from station to station.
It's possible to do it all and we need everyone to make a world. A place where all the people are similar and agree, always staying on rails is called a dictature, thanks for us it is not here🙂... you can leave and come back. We have all ups and downs, "des hauts et débats" ! C'est la vie...
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I learned many years ago to be wary of forums.
Trolls, clever people, people who think they are clever etc use the forums.
Its really up to you to filter what is said into good advice and bad advice.
And to back out when it gets silly.
I have 30 years experience of writing PCBCAD software yet got torn to pieces when I criticised kicad. I wasnt simply bigging up my software by having a go at kicad.
I have yet to get kicad to work on my pc satisfactorily despite my 30 years experience.
Of course some people have managed to use it and it has worked well for them.
But i can only pass on my own experience which was useless.
Trolls, clever people, people who think they are clever etc use the forums.
Its really up to you to filter what is said into good advice and bad advice.
And to back out when it gets silly.
I have 30 years experience of writing PCBCAD software yet got torn to pieces when I criticised kicad. I wasnt simply bigging up my software by having a go at kicad.
I have yet to get kicad to work on my pc satisfactorily despite my 30 years experience.
Of course some people have managed to use it and it has worked well for them.
But i can only pass on my own experience which was useless.
Nobody is forced or required to read any forums. Don't like any of the information on any forum? Don't read it. You don't even need an ignore button to ignore someone you'll probably never meet in person and that person might be halfway around the world.
There are worse forums. I got banned from one forum because I asked why a moderator had deleted my post where I advised two people clucking at each other to take their bitching at each to private messages. Too bad, but I had joined diyaudio years before, only went to the alternate forum because they had many self professing gurus who could advise me on repairing my Marantz amplifier. I did find somebody who helped me fix the amp, but he got banned for some minor transgression. I can also simply change my email address and rejoin under that address if I really wanted to...
I don't go to this forum for advice about thermodynamics or physics, nuclear warfare or horseshoes. If there are forums about any of those subjects I just skip them, go grab another beer and find something else to do.
There are worse forums. I got banned from one forum because I asked why a moderator had deleted my post where I advised two people clucking at each other to take their bitching at each to private messages. Too bad, but I had joined diyaudio years before, only went to the alternate forum because they had many self professing gurus who could advise me on repairing my Marantz amplifier. I did find somebody who helped me fix the amp, but he got banned for some minor transgression. I can also simply change my email address and rejoin under that address if I really wanted to...
I don't go to this forum for advice about thermodynamics or physics, nuclear warfare or horseshoes. If there are forums about any of those subjects I just skip them, go grab another beer and find something else to do.
Yes, to quote George Costanza, "We're LIVING IN A SOCIETY!!!". What do you say to those who don't want to get along? I say take a HIKE!
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