Should You Change Crossover Capacitors – The Great Debate

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johnmath said:
Human auditory perception experiences audio stimuli in the time domain; in the frequency domain the ear is quite a blunt instrument. I suspect that time domain aberrations are what exposes differences in capacitor sound for different capacitor materials and constructions.
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AFAIK interaural time differences are where the greatest sensitivity lie, in the region of 10uS, quite possibily lower and variability between individuals and translating to an angle of around 1 degree in the horizontal plane.
 
There's a basic discord in your understanding of the scientific method when you asks for proof of the negative.
This akin to asking "so do you have any proof of not beating your wife?".
The research not being there does not automatically give evidence of the opposite and allow you a pulpet in the debate.
 
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Sonce said:
Science strongly objects on this one!
Anyway, you don't accept science evidence, so it doesn't matter.]

You have yet to show me any of this science of which you speak, just generalizations.


[Oh, really? Try the ABX test sometimes.]

Its going to take a more thorough approach as in finding a baseline of audibility for the measurements I mentioned.


[And you just throw the science trough the window... again.]

Why is that? I just said unorthodox not unacceptable.


[Overactive imagination is more stubborn and stronger than any nonscientific "extensive testing".]

How much testing have you done on the subject?

Edit: Please forgive the format…..I couldn’t figure out how to separate the quotes.
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airvoid said:
There's a basic discord in your understanding of the scientific method when you asks for proof of the negative.
This akin to asking "so do you have any proof of not beating your wife?".
The research not being there does not automatically give evidence of the opposite and allow you a pulpet in the debate.
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You turned it upside down! I have never asked for proof of negative.
Read the link what is scientific evidence (not proof!):
Scientific evidence - Wikipedia
Then, please bring one (one is sufficient!) scientific evidence of the positive - that caps sound different.
 
Where in the course of this conversation did I ever state an opinion on this? I’m questioning your arguments and your comprehension, sorry to say but you’re stuck in a loop and not taking in the reasoning behind the arguments I’m making.
 
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mountainman bob said:
You have yet to show me any of this science of which you speak, just generalizations.
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ABX is indisputable king of testing in science. It is not generalization, just a hard science fact.

mountainman bob said:
Its going to take a more thorough approach as in finding a baseline of audibility for the measurements I mentioned.
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The most thorough test is ABX (or any of it's variants) and the results of all ABX tests converged to this one: audibility of difference between modern capacitors is nonexisting. Why we need a research in baseline for audibility, when it is already surpassed even with the cheap caps?

mountainman bob said:
Why is that? I just said unorthodox not unacceptable.
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You can say everything you want, but it is unacceptable - because high SPL signals masks important low-level differences. Read about it on the net.

mountainman bob said:
How much testing have you done on the subject?
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Please don't count your vivid imagination as "testing". There are plenty of science papers on testing audibility of different components - search the web.
 
airvoid said:
Where in the course of this conversation did I ever state an opinion on this? I’m questioning your arguments and your comprehension, sorry to say but you’re stuck in a loop and not taking in the reasoning behind the arguments I’m making.
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??? I don't understand what you are talking. You didn't make a single argument. Or my English is not so good as I imagined.
 
Sonce said:
??? I don't understand what you are talking. You didn't make a single argument. Or my English is not so good as I imagined.
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I think he's saying that you can't say there is evidence all capacitors sound the same just because you haven't seen evidence you accept to the opposite.
 
Sonce said:
You are speaking against the science.
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With respect, "science" does not need you or anyone to shout at everyone else with a different understanding or experience.

Go back to post 1 and the subsequent posts by the OP and re-read the string of claims made, claims of the nature "Capacitor sound does not exist, and therefore I am right unless you prove me wrong". From the viewpoint of science the inability of others to provide proof to the standard deemed acceptable to the claimant is irrelevant. In science, the burden of proof falls on the claimant, not anyone else.
 
AllenB said:
Aren't they often the same thing?
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Whilst it is true that time and frequency domains are inextricably linked, measurements in the frequency domain almost always deliberately average or smooth values over time, which excludes/removes the time domain characteristics of the DOT.
 
Is there a big difference going from Alumen-Z to Amber-Z? No. Is there a difference at all? Yes. How much can only be determined by you.


Amber-Z-Cap



I'll stick with this phrase from Troels and it's what I experienced as I said in a previous post in this thread.
I do not need science or believers to agree with me, nor do I need skeptics and detractors to deny my perception because it is "subjective".
I hear differences. Point for me.
 
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