My god what did I trigger here, from the Roman Empire to the colony times, ww2 and the next social revolt of Europe.
I had Bangers and Beans in a pub in Farnborough. I had Casoulet at a cafe Lyon. No real comparison. If I was hungry, I would eat the bangers and beans if it was free. OTOH I would pay $100 to have that casoulet again here in the US...
😀 yeah, your fault... we are going back to the V century and the barbarians invasions... but as it is a kartesian driver thread, all of that will finish with a FA (a french affair)
You have to listen to that ten times to expiate your fault : Gong "Wet Cheese Delirium" - YouTube
@ Jim :eating a Cassoulet in a café in Lyon was surely an industrial one made for semi fast restauration place like that, no chance it was real one : night & day. Imo it's like to eat a baggle at Lhassa, just not the right place ! But nice try 🙂
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No, it was the real thing... it was a very special cafe. The Airbus guys (from Toulouse) took us there.
To go back to the subject. Kartesian drivers are fairly new on the diy market, but are longtime known as top level drivers sold as OEM for high end speaker builders. They should be in the same league as Scanspeak and Seas say people in the bussiness i know.
But i also would like to see independent measurements of them. They look very good on paper, but experience tells me that doesn't tell it all... They do post kippel measurements on their site altough (but we don't know in wich conditions they were made).
But i also would like to see independent measurements of them. They look very good on paper, but experience tells me that doesn't tell it all... They do post kippel measurements on their site altough (but we don't know in wich conditions they were made).
waxx, we saw no measurement from diy people yet. Ok they write they are OEM of sota brands, but we don't know which ones ? Nore we know how it sounds subjectivly when integrated by famous diyers here and elswhere.
I beleive it asks from a third party measurement, Audio X press, etc...
@Jim : due to the global warming AIrbus stopped to send Cassoulets from Toulouse to Lyon in a day for the special Café (what they call "Bouchon" place at Lyon? where the Cassoulet IS not a local Lyon speciality as is "le tablier de sapeur" or "le saucison à la pistache" for instance. No chance a true Bouchon has a Cassoulet to the menu; in fact 90° of the Bouchon lyonnais are false, you need to be a local to know the right places, there are some true at the Fourviere mountain, a Lyon area that climb with a big church); in fact even in Toulouse it is not easy to find a good Cassoulet as most place are turists traps and when I say tourists it's also french tourists. I know it for sure, you can believe me as I'm a "bon vivant"; in fact you don' know before having eaten a true one made by grand Ma who had the receip from his own grand Ma... more than the receip it is how it is made, with the right foods and with the care to the long coocking). Now maybe you went to a sppecial café ruled by a toulousan expat guy who is coocking THE cassoulet in Lyon... who knows, strange global world, maybe baggles in Lhassa went from NYC as well !
I beleive it asks from a third party measurement, Audio X press, etc...
@Jim : due to the global warming AIrbus stopped to send Cassoulets from Toulouse to Lyon in a day for the special Café (what they call "Bouchon" place at Lyon? where the Cassoulet IS not a local Lyon speciality as is "le tablier de sapeur" or "le saucison à la pistache" for instance. No chance a true Bouchon has a Cassoulet to the menu; in fact 90° of the Bouchon lyonnais are false, you need to be a local to know the right places, there are some true at the Fourviere mountain, a Lyon area that climb with a big church); in fact even in Toulouse it is not easy to find a good Cassoulet as most place are turists traps and when I say tourists it's also french tourists. I know it for sure, you can believe me as I'm a "bon vivant"; in fact you don' know before having eaten a true one made by grand Ma who had the receip from his own grand Ma... more than the receip it is how it is made, with the right foods and with the care to the long coocking). Now maybe you went to a sppecial café ruled by a toulousan expat guy who is coocking THE cassoulet in Lyon... who knows, strange global world, maybe baggles in Lhassa went from NYC as well !
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they are neighbors indeed, I know he is also using some Davis Acoustics on spec !
Btw KF is said to sound good... but pricey !
Btw KF is said to sound good... but pricey !
What are your thoughts on the Wom120 vs. the Mid120 for midrange purposes? They say on their youtube channel that the Mid120 is planned for a Fall 2021 release to market. The Wom120 looks like it might make for an exceptional midrange and is priced quite reasonably in my opinion.
I bought 4 pieces of Wom120_vMS from THLP for the my WMTM project. I posted measurements in a test cabinet. You can find details in my thread.
My project is not finished yet, i am assembling cabinets
Active WMTM 12" + 4.5" + ribbon tweeter
My project is not finished yet, i am assembling cabinets
Active WMTM 12" + 4.5" + ribbon tweeter
Typically in higher end tech industry, suppliers are not allowed to say who they are working for due to the contracts that forbid that with heavy fines on violation of that contract. Companies don't want to say how they make stuff or where to get their parts. This is very standard in the bussiness (at least in the EU). I worked for companies like that as IT consultant and we also needed to sign a contract that forbid to spread such info as we as IT admins could see a lot. Kartesian probally got similar conditions in the contracts with their OEM clients, so that is why they don't tell that.
I often given the pen myself for suppliers to sign non divulgation acts... purchasing dpt can be "case couilles" when you work with good ones. In IT dpt, it becomes funny when there are many suppliers staffs working together : you can hear the bullets fly and sometimes you can count the deads !
But sometimes you can recognize an OEM driver in a loudspeaker. Sometimes not easy : is Sonus Faber 100% made in house, etc. Is this sliced driver a Revelator (yes it is), etc !
What I meant is we are not too much aware here. That doesn't mean it's bad... or good either. Just my few cents. We just don't see enough diy designs as it's new for the diy market and they open in the same time than the CV-19 crisis... difficult. I hope for them the best.
But sometimes you can recognize an OEM driver in a loudspeaker. Sometimes not easy : is Sonus Faber 100% made in house, etc. Is this sliced driver a Revelator (yes it is), etc !
What I meant is we are not too much aware here. That doesn't mean it's bad... or good either. Just my few cents. We just don't see enough diy designs as it's new for the diy market and they open in the same time than the CV-19 crisis... difficult. I hope for them the best.
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