Perhaps this is a basic question. Please follow my calculation:
The circumference of the innermost groove at a 60 mm radius is 377 mm. With the rotation speed of 33.33 the stylus travels 209.44 mm/s, that comes from 100/180 rotations per second, multiplied by d x š¹
A 20 kHz signal wavelength is 209.44/20000 = 10.47 micrometers on the innermost groove.
The stylus tip radius of my pickup is 16.5 micrometer (round tip), according to the manufacturer (Denon). My question is: how can the stylus follow the 20 kHz grooves, if its radius is larger than the wavelength? I can't visually imagine it.
Here I found some interesting overview, but still the question: is a round tip stylus unsuitable to play high frequencies?
The circumference of the innermost groove at a 60 mm radius is 377 mm. With the rotation speed of 33.33 the stylus travels 209.44 mm/s, that comes from 100/180 rotations per second, multiplied by d x š¹
A 20 kHz signal wavelength is 209.44/20000 = 10.47 micrometers on the innermost groove.
The stylus tip radius of my pickup is 16.5 micrometer (round tip), according to the manufacturer (Denon). My question is: how can the stylus follow the 20 kHz grooves, if its radius is larger than the wavelength? I can't visually imagine it.
Here I found some interesting overview, but still the question: is a round tip stylus unsuitable to play high frequencies?
Not unsuitable but due to its smaller contact area as opposed to an elliptical one output at 20KHz is lower ---but more record wear hence usually track at a lower tracking level.
Looking through a book on cartridges even the cheapest ones are either elliptical or pseudo-elliptical.
Of course if you are a DJ and "scratching " its got to be spherical.
Looking through a book on cartridges even the cheapest ones are either elliptical or pseudo-elliptical.
Of course if you are a DJ and "scratching " its got to be spherical.
There is some small degree of HF roll off, but the alignment is much less critical in several respects
than for elliptical etc. Very few turntables are aligned well enough to take advantage of the theoretical
improvement from using a smaller radius tip.
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Shure M44C and Denon DL103 have spherical tips. The first was MM "entry level" and the second, which is still being manufactured, is a highly requested MC by vinyl lovers .....
The shape of the pick is not all, and wear on the stylus and vinyl will inevitably occur either way.
An elliptical traces the details better, but if the entire chain of the system does not accompany it, the shape of the needle does not matter too much, in my view. And there are many authoritative opinions that elliptical needles are more prone to picking up surface noise from vinyls.
I have not wanted to compare the diameter of both needles, but I bet the Denon is smaller, that is, it tracks lower than the Shure.
My Stanton 881 S Stereohedron cartridge stylus succumbed to corrosion not long ago.
Don't use prong cleaning methods like Discwhaser SC2 ......
The shape of the pick is not all, and wear on the stylus and vinyl will inevitably occur either way.
An elliptical traces the details better, but if the entire chain of the system does not accompany it, the shape of the needle does not matter too much, in my view. And there are many authoritative opinions that elliptical needles are more prone to picking up surface noise from vinyls.
I have not wanted to compare the diameter of both needles, but I bet the Denon is smaller, that is, it tracks lower than the Shure.
My Stanton 881 S Stereohedron cartridge stylus succumbed to corrosion not long ago.
Don't use prong cleaning methods like Discwhaser SC2 ......
Also keep in mind it's 1/2 the wavelength that the stylus to has to navigate into. This is why 5 micron tracing radius is maximum size to accurately trace 20kHz at innermost groove
I have 2 Stanton 881s a stock Stereohdron I and the other retipped by Joseph Long with an FGS 5x120um diamond, I also have a NOS Stanton Epoch II HZ9s with Stereohedron II and the 881s with FGS is the best. My god it's good.
I have 2 Stanton 881s a stock Stereohdron I and the other retipped by Joseph Long with an FGS 5x120um diamond, I also have a NOS Stanton Epoch II HZ9s with Stereohedron II and the 881s with FGS is the best. My god it's good.
But can you buy the complete reconverted pick or should you send the same to replace the diamond ? they offer.š”Also I have no references of who makes them ...
I was thinking of a Jico pick for my Stanton 881S, I also thought of LP Gear, but amazingly they don't appear in the listings š
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The aftermarket stylus for 881s are not as good as the original, all use bonded tips and suspension is not as good as Stanton.
I would recommend sending it to Joseph he does very good work. I will be sending him my other 881s soon for retipping.
My 881s with FGS is stunning and the best cartridge I have owned including a few high $$$ MC's
Stereohedron I
Phono Retipping: Stanton Pickering NUDE Stereohedron HZS LZS XLZ XSV 881 981 681 | eBay
Stereohedron II
Stanton WOS Collectorās Series CS-100 Moving Magnet Stylus Diamond Replace | eBay
I would recommend sending it to Joseph he does very good work. I will be sending him my other 881s soon for retipping.
My 881s with FGS is stunning and the best cartridge I have owned including a few high $$$ MC's
Stereohedron I
Phono Retipping: Stanton Pickering NUDE Stereohedron HZS LZS XLZ XSV 881 981 681 | eBay
Stereohedron II
Stanton WOS Collectorās Series CS-100 Moving Magnet Stylus Diamond Replace | eBay
It all depends on the amplitude, if the wiggles are 1Āµm then being a 10Āµm wavelength is less problematic than if the amplitude is 10Āµm.
And yes spherical stylii are poor performers at HF - otherwise why invent all the other shapes?
And yes spherical stylii are poor performers at HF - otherwise why invent all the other shapes?
Thanks for the links, they will be taken into account.
For now I will dabble in MC, it is a pending subject.
It is a highly debated subject, but each type of needle has its attributes.
What's the Difference Between a Conical and Elliptical Stylus?
I have become so used to the silent reproductions by CD`s or Streaming, that every time I am bothered more and more by the surface noises of the vinyl.
A good reproduction system makes that very evident, and as I mentioned before, spherical needles pick up less surface noise, and there are good quality ones.
I just purchased the Denon Dl103, examined it at 60X magnification, and it is a perfectly polished, small radius bare diamond.
I think it will fulfill what I hope, play music and not clicks and pops.-
Remember that in practice 20KHz won't even make it on to the record except for test discs. If it does, it is only a component of a bigger, lower frequency groove and hence will be ignored by bigger tips.
The effects of plastic and elastic groove deformation in relation to the stylus contact areas should be part of the discussion, when considering the high frequency capabilities of different stylii profiles .
Most people do not realize that none of the great mastering engineers that cut the vinyl we are listening to, used MC cartridges to monitor the lacquer cut.
The great Doug Sax used Stanton 881, Kavi Alexander Technics and Bernie Grundmann AT.
If you have an original copy of Pink Floyd the Wall it was mastered by Doug Sax using a Stanton.
The Stanton 881s has dead flat FR from 20Hz-20kHz. MC's have a rising FR is this bad, no it adds topend but this topend is artificial and not part of what is cut on the LP.
>Most people do not realize that none of the great mastering engineers that cut the vinyl we are listening to, used MC cartridges to monitor the lacquer cut.<
This statement is incorrect.
Among current releases, Blue Note's Tone Poet series and Intervention Records masters are vetted with Lyra MC cartridges, in the past Reference Recordings has used Lyra MC cartridges, etc.
This statement is incorrect.
Among current releases, Blue Note's Tone Poet series and Intervention Records masters are vetted with Lyra MC cartridges, in the past Reference Recordings has used Lyra MC cartridges, etc.
Well it is all artificial. RIAA is artificial. So is half speed mastering. And cutting engineers at normal speed are not keen anything below 40Hz and above 12KHz.
What happens is that I had in use two Stanton 881S for many years (in addition to other capsules) and never an MC, I paid 390 US $ for Denon DL 103, it is a good price, almost as much as you tell me that the refurbished Stanton needle costs by your specialist.
"To renew is to live"
I wish I could do the same with my wife, but that would cost me a lot more ....š
I will tell you with complete honesty.
I have had DSOTM on vinyl for many years, one version of the many stamped from a master plate.
But how can I know which moment of the stamping corresponds to? is it the first or last of, say, 10,000 copies?
Even Direct to Disc special editions have that problem! The only difference is that there will be no more backup.
If I stream it, it's infinitely better! You can see that the guys from Spot .. use good material ....
Well, I think you are being a bit of an exaggeration ... RIAA is supposed to recover from 20 to 20,000 hz, after the decompression process ...
It reminds me of people saying: "I record with Dolby and play without Dolby, it has better treble"