Scratching the bottom of the barrel for some kind of answer, huh?
NO PROOF found online.
But you seem to "believe" there is, so please post some links you think/claim do that.
Yes: nuclear reactors, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
WHAT is the relationship with UFOs?
Besides the psychological need to believe in benevolent superior beings who would save us from self destruction, that is.
Of course, that doesn´t make them any more real.
Deep black = completely unknown.
Completely unknown means they can not be used to prove anything at all, can they?
You "think" what you want, where´s proof?
Your second trick is using the word "entirely" baiting me to search the entire Universe for proof.
Why would I? , it´s you who claims UFOs in the context of Aliens, you prove it.
May is conditional, not an actual statement.
Secrecy = unknown. What does an unknown prove here?
MAYBE carrying a 5 ton nuclear reactor under your car hood is not THAT practical, what do you think?
Besides the cost problem, adding a few Million dollars to each car cost might slow sales a bit.
As of non nuclear power, fossil fuel corporations run powerful lobbies, not only in USA but also in Europe and Japan.
Under US political pressure Germany dismantled most of their Nuclear power stations, now they are weak and dependant, desperate for Russian gas, etc.
France always was quite independent from US and kept lots of Nuclear power stations.
In any case, what does it have to do with UFOs?
You start with a logical fallacy, what´s using fossil fuels have to do with UFOs?
Can´t juge what surprises you.
Wood and canvas planes are obsolete.
Current jet fighters are not, by definition.
You set up mines, then step on them.
Unless you can show it, something completely secret can prove nothing, by definition.
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Not such a thing.
Molten salt reactors rely on fission.
The ongoing legend of Japanese steel. Sadly without foundation in reality.
They managed to produce useable steel from their very, very poor raw materials but they had to jump through many hoops to get there and it was only really good compared to the other locally produced iron wares of very low quality.
But to their credit the knew good steel when they saw it and when the first Portuguese traders turned up the Japanese paid very high prices for the swords made from far superior Toledo steel. They went so far as to send envoys back to Portugal/Spain in order to purchase more of it.
The true masters of steel were the south Indians who for hundreds of years were the only ones able to produce crucible steel of very high quality helped by the fact that the local ore was 'contaminated' with traces of molybdenum, vanadium and chrome. Look up Wootz steel.
While I've never read this book, I have my own view as to the answer.
Americans learned not to simply trust whatever their government says after the nationally traumatic Viet Nam War experience. An experience which made us a nation of cynics. Prior to that, the general public assumed that they could trust whatever their government told them, especially, with Cold War thermonuclear paranoia galvanizing the nation. The Viet Nam War lies (a county which we are NOW on friendly terms with), with it's associated forced conscription and deaths of 60,000 American sons, along with the civil protests and the generational social division that it precipitated, led to the deep distrust of government statements. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
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If Americans (or anyone else) had a functioning warp drive, don’t you think it would be kept under the HIGHEST levels of secrecy? In our current state, that kind of technology would start wars so fast it will make your head spin. At relativistic speed, too.
If you follow Star Trek logic, the only thing that saved Earth from destruction is that t was (unintentionally) revealed to the Vulcans first. If the Chinese had found out it would have been World War 4 (and one photon torpedo ought to do it).
If you follow Star Trek logic, the only thing that saved Earth from destruction is that t was (unintentionally) revealed to the Vulcans first. If the Chinese had found out it would have been World War 4 (and one photon torpedo ought to do it).
Why do you continue to ask this ridiculous question? You seem to believe that it's some sort of trump-card for you. Of course, it is still unanswered. There would be nothing to debate, about any subject, if incontrovertible proof, one way or the other, was always readily in-hand. The UFO topic is worthy of debate because anecdotal reports testifying to the reality of the objects have continually occurred for at least 75 years, and, now, after all of that, the U.S. military has finally stated that 'aerial phenomena' which they can't explain, is occurring. Going so far as to authenticate video which they had taken of the objects. To suggest that there is nothing to debate until someone can walk you aboard a working flying saucer is intellectually or psychologically evasive, you tell us which.
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Come on, exactly the same argument applies from the other side.
The correct answer to these questions is ‘there are a handful of observations we cannot explain’.
The improbable case is ‘aliens are visiting’. How do you go from an unexplained observation to aliens? There are aren’t even any incremental pointers between the two positions that would lead one to the alien claim.
Do you not see how ridiculous it is to make these claims?
I know folks would love to believe our neck of the cosmos is crawling with higher order beings, but the likely truth is most planets harboring life are probably little more than protozoic shite balls. We’re lucky, somehow we made out of that biological cul de sac.
The correct answer to these questions is ‘there are a handful of observations we cannot explain’.
The improbable case is ‘aliens are visiting’. How do you go from an unexplained observation to aliens? There are aren’t even any incremental pointers between the two positions that would lead one to the alien claim.
Do you not see how ridiculous it is to make these claims?
I know folks would love to believe our neck of the cosmos is crawling with higher order beings, but the likely truth is most planets harboring life are probably little more than protozoic shite balls. We’re lucky, somehow we made out of that biological cul de sac.
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Agreed, it does. Is anyone on the other side be making such an equivalent claim, which I don't recall reading? I am positive that I have not.
Ah, but such a statement would unduly obscure the potentially civilization upending implications of, "we cannot explain", wouldn't it.
The U.S. Military has stated that among the possible explanations is, an alien origin! In fact, what has prompted this lengthy lounge discussion is the U.S. Military's reigniting of the whole subject. They didn't have to do that. They could easily have said nothing. They certainly knew what the public reaction would likely be. It's not like there was a mass public sighting over the White House. So, ask yourself, why they choose to make such a provocative statement. We, as the public, should not be myopic about these goings on, bizarre as they obviously are.
No doubt, there are people who believe that. Just as there are people who would love to believe that we are the only advanced life in the universe, let alone, in our galaxy. But, that is not the discussion in front of us right now, that discussion is secondary, for the moment. Today's discussion has at it's center, the recent actions of the U.S. Military to knowingly elevate the public profile of an topic which has potentially explosive implications for our civilization. There is no way the Pentagon decided to take such action lightly. Obviously, something really wierd is currently going on.
Because most military are run by a bunch of numptys at the top? (cf comments on vietnam...)
I can discern your answer to one question. From your attempt to use a notoriously closed island nation of eastern Asia as some sort of standard for the technical status in 17th century western Europe.
"Several more recent examples" ....of what??
It kinda seeems like you're having a conversation with yourself. Should I leave you two alone?
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Ken, that’s a very interesting observation, which seems to me very plausible.
It seems that sufficiently large and powerful organizations all eventually disenfranchise those they seek to govern. They are people who represent fertile ground for implanting new conspiracy theories. Whether true or not, some people believe in ufo’s in part because their government, whom they do not fully trust, appears to them to be hiding some truth about the subject.
Of course other folk simply believe or not in the ‘evidence’, nothing wrong with that and makes for a fun thread to debate. The aliens are messin with us.
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Thanks. I agree, that there is no innocent governing structure. Any centralized control structure is inherently susceptible to corruption. Democratic based structures are probably the closest there are to a healthy structure, unless/until humanity evolves ethically enough to be individually self-governing within a large social plurality. Say, in about 500,000 years. 😎
In the meanwhile, the key to democratic government constructively controlled by the governed is, of course, visibility. There is no real control by the governed without accurate visibility of who, is responsible for doing what, within the government. Hence, the importance of a free and investigative press - which, profit motivated corporatization has bastardized and thus made dangerously weak. It's been said that, at least, in an authoritarian government, you know with certainty who it is that's screwing you. 😀
Considering you started this tangent with your comment about Hal Puthoff you really ought to be better at keeping up with yourself. You were using Puthoff’s fringe interests to imply something wrong with Vallee because you are under the incorrect impression that I think Vallee should be immune from criticism.
There was then a lengthy conversation about guilt by association, interspersed with an example of a noteworthy scientist (Newton) who also engaged in “quackery”. I included a link to other such examples, including Albert Einstein.
Did I leave you enough breadcrumbs?
Uranium-238 is non-fissile uranium and there are molten salt reactors designed to use it. I don’t know why you thrive on being difficult.
So it seems that way to you? OK. Keep in mind that there is an option of confirming it by quoting his words. If not, it remains as your speculation.
I must've missed it. Can you please quote it?