Anyone built these, or have any opinions on them?
Voxativ AC–1a PRODUCTS
Quote from their website
AC-1a drivers
1,799.00 EURO
(Note: pricing is for a selected pair of drivers)
The newest entry-level Voxativ 8-inch full-range driver is equipped with a specific array of neodymium pill magnets to enhance bass response.
Each pair is delivered with the build plans for the 'New Acousta' back-loaded horn inspired by the original prototype loudspeakers built by Inés Adler that culminated in the birth of Voxativ.
This model also offers great resolution and best bass response when used in a Hagen Monitor or Tower configuration with or without Absolut system configuration.
Technical Details
Frequency Response
20 - 20.000 Hz
Efficiency
96dB (3 kHz) 1W / 1m*
Capacity
50 W nom / 100 W mus
Impedance
10,3 Ohm
Qts
0,46
Depth
3,2“ / 8,1 cm
Diameter
7,5“ / 19 cm
Weight
2,4 kg / 6,0 lbs
Sales price is for one selected pair and includes a digital download of build plans for the New Acousta.
Voxativ AC–1a PRODUCTS
Quote from their website
AC-1a drivers
1,799.00 EURO
(Note: pricing is for a selected pair of drivers)
The newest entry-level Voxativ 8-inch full-range driver is equipped with a specific array of neodymium pill magnets to enhance bass response.
Each pair is delivered with the build plans for the 'New Acousta' back-loaded horn inspired by the original prototype loudspeakers built by Inés Adler that culminated in the birth of Voxativ.
This model also offers great resolution and best bass response when used in a Hagen Monitor or Tower configuration with or without Absolut system configuration.
Technical Details
Frequency Response
20 - 20.000 Hz
Efficiency
96dB (3 kHz) 1W / 1m*
Capacity
50 W nom / 100 W mus
Impedance
10,3 Ohm
Qts
0,46
Depth
3,2“ / 8,1 cm
Diameter
7,5“ / 19 cm
Weight
2,4 kg / 6,0 lbs
Sales price is for one selected pair and includes a digital download of build plans for the New Acousta.
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I don't see the euro symbol, website says $1799 Big difference between $1799 USD and 1799 euro.
Also I can't make out the L x W x H of the new Acousta BLH?
Personally I'd feel better about spending that kind of money if Doctor Scott L also came up with a box (BLH etc) option for these drivers only I can't imagine that happing given the absence of the drivers full TS parameters.
Also I can't make out the L x W x H of the new Acousta BLH?
Personally I'd feel better about spending that kind of money if Doctor Scott L also came up with a box (BLH etc) option for these drivers only I can't imagine that happing given the absence of the drivers full TS parameters.
No T/S parameters or graphs, and a very high price... That activates my snakeoil alarm.
At that pricepoint i would expect a whole series of detailed measurements and a superior design, but it looks more that it's mainly looks that you buy, not performance.
At that pricepoint i would expect a whole series of detailed measurements and a superior design, but it looks more that it's mainly looks that you buy, not performance.
I find myself in a slightly awkward position regarding Voxativ because I inadvertently offended Ms Adler some years ago with some remarks on this forum; it wasn't my intention, especially as they had in fact been very polite toward me, but my choice of phrasing and timing was poor and she rightly was not happy. Mea culpa, and I hold my hands up on that one.
Voxativ do not typically publish the data as a general release, but they do, as I understand it, provide it to their buyers if they request it. Which in fairness to them is more than, say, Feastrex and a number of others I could mention ever did. Since their market is essentially high-end, I can see the logic of their approach, which is based on their intended clients and their requirements, and in such cases publishing data can actually be something of a double-edged sword -it's very easy for it to be over-simplified or misinterpreted, especially in this age of internet communications, and that in turn has the potential of causing as many (or more) headaches as not publishing. While I'd like to see it, I don't have the responsibility of running the business, don't know their marketing, production, cost data etc. Selling drivers to the DIY community is only a part of Voxativ's business after all; they produce full commercial speaker systems too, which will be at least as important to them, and the impact on that wider side of things presumably needs to be weighed in the balance. I would certainly like to design something for their units as they are very nice looking, with some interesting features; hopefully I'll be able to do so at some point, and I probably should make a bit of an effort.
Voxativ do not typically publish the data as a general release, but they do, as I understand it, provide it to their buyers if they request it. Which in fairness to them is more than, say, Feastrex and a number of others I could mention ever did. Since their market is essentially high-end, I can see the logic of their approach, which is based on their intended clients and their requirements, and in such cases publishing data can actually be something of a double-edged sword -it's very easy for it to be over-simplified or misinterpreted, especially in this age of internet communications, and that in turn has the potential of causing as many (or more) headaches as not publishing. While I'd like to see it, I don't have the responsibility of running the business, don't know their marketing, production, cost data etc. Selling drivers to the DIY community is only a part of Voxativ's business after all; they produce full commercial speaker systems too, which will be at least as important to them, and the impact on that wider side of things presumably needs to be weighed in the balance. I would certainly like to design something for their units as they are very nice looking, with some interesting features; hopefully I'll be able to do so at some point, and I probably should make a bit of an effort.
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I think they should at least give some info like a graph of response. Now we don't have any info to compare with other drivers. But if diy builders are not their target, then it's not important to them to attrackt us, that is true. But for me they are never a consideration at all. Idem with Feastrex and those others. For most diy people, the more info, the more the drivers are considered as a potential part of their project.
It doesnt look as simple build, alot of angle cuts and slanted surfaces. And if you pay someone to make it for you in UK, youll probably pay an arm and a leg. Do you have any diy experience in building such cabinets?
Have you opportunity to hear those speakers (or at least some other Acoustas) and with wich setup?
Can you make similar setup in your room?
If not, you are going into expensive lottery.
After I burned myself with Lowther DX2, I stay away from that high-end priced stuff. I could intentionally write alot offensive words about Lowther build quality and reliability. But I wont beacuse its off-topic.
Voxativ quality control seems to be better, but to me all such stuff are overpriced. If you search Acousta horn youll find several versions, and this one is just more fancy looks. I doubt bass performance is better than other Acoustas.
If you wish to experiment with rear horns check Tang Band W8-1772, about 600€ for pair and much better bang for buck.
SUG1-19 horn cabinet recommended by TB is somewhat crude design, but fairly simple to build.
Have you opportunity to hear those speakers (or at least some other Acoustas) and with wich setup?
Can you make similar setup in your room?
If not, you are going into expensive lottery.
After I burned myself with Lowther DX2, I stay away from that high-end priced stuff. I could intentionally write alot offensive words about Lowther build quality and reliability. But I wont beacuse its off-topic.
Voxativ quality control seems to be better, but to me all such stuff are overpriced. If you search Acousta horn youll find several versions, and this one is just more fancy looks. I doubt bass performance is better than other Acoustas.
If you wish to experiment with rear horns check Tang Band W8-1772, about 600€ for pair and much better bang for buck.
SUG1-19 horn cabinet recommended by TB is somewhat crude design, but fairly simple to build.
Well, they aren't a consideration for me either since they are far outside my price range. When you get to these kinds of levels, you get a different type of buyer, who typically has different priorities, and the companies typically spend a bit more individual time with clients, as they're in the low[er]-volume bracket. As noted, I'd rather see the data too -I think in the long run, it's better to do things that way, but that's just my opinion.
Still not good value for the euro IMO, they’d be more appropriately priced at half that.
dave
I managed to get a demo of a Ampeggio booked in with a very kind gentleman in London. Will post feedback in couple of weeks.
pair 2pcs unit Melo David audio VOX8 hiend 8inch wooden cone fullrange full range speaker|Speaker Accessories| - AliExpress those look remarkably similar, if not for the magnet. Is it a looks clone or are they manufacturing in china?
A lookalike using completely different components & cone materials. Which isn't meant to be a defense (or offense) for or against either, just stating the fact of it.
Hi,
Exactly. VOXATIV drivers are still produced in Germany, more or less by hand, which of course explains some of their prices (not the über-expensive FC prices nor their SPU prices though, in my personal opinion only of course).
Chinese drivers MAY be better or MAY be worse, but it´s obvious that they are cheaper.
All the best
Mattes
Very impressive, but sound rolled off under 80Hz and they have a definite sweet spot (potentially narrower listening range) ... Model Crystal 10 speaker demo - YouTube
Shared some of my thoughts here if anyone is interested: www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/voxativ-uk-owners.33049/
I’m still not sure if it was the horn loading or the whizzer that caused the lack of imaging
I’m still not sure if it was the horn loading or the whizzer that caused the lack of imaging
well, i heared them in a shop in Milan a few years ago (the old version of the Ampeggio) in not so good conditions and i thought it was not good to be honest so i'm not surprised with your impression. Some much cheaper drivers in diy designs (even own designs and i'm not an engineer or a pro) sounded much better to me.
I think it's mainly hype about those super expensive fullrange speakers that sells them. You also don't find specs or measurements of them. While cheaper brands that are more common here have those all over the internet so it's easier to judge them without having them near you. And i rather stick with those that i can predict a bit and buy the right ones.
I think it's mainly hype about those super expensive fullrange speakers that sells them. You also don't find specs or measurements of them. While cheaper brands that are more common here have those all over the internet so it's easier to judge them without having them near you. And i rather stick with those that i can predict a bit and buy the right ones.
Glad I’m not alone then.
Which ones do you buy and do you have any experience with whizzer cones and do they affect imaging?
Which ones do you buy and do you have any experience with whizzer cones and do they affect imaging?