Sound Quality Vs. Measurements

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TNT said:
I would like to say that I absolutely believe all/most reported sound impressions - no doubt. Lying about them on a forum seems so silly. Then there is an other aspect if these are "real" or imagined. I say no more... other than that I myself will not be fooled to make investments in things that do not provide real results - it would be to belittle my own person and I'm not interested in that. I'm conscious enough to "hear" beyond sneak oil or fairy tales. Nowadays 🙂

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So you are able to discern between "real" and "imagined", yet you cannot provide any measurement that demonstrates your ability to discern.

In other words, you hear that your DAC is source dependent and therefore it is "real", although you cannot provide any proof of it ("real results")
Others hear that an amp with higher distortion sounds better than another that measures better, but as others do not have your ability to discern then it is "imagined" and not "real" ("fairy tales").

Maybe you simplified it a little too much to make it work?
 
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Markw4 said:
For everyone its true that if they hear something and correlate it with measurements, then they may believe they have found the cause. In reality, no causation is established. There is a correlation and nothing more at that point.

Its also true that some of those people described above refuse to believe what someone else claims to hear. Rather, they demand proof. Correlation will not suffice.

Why? Human nature. We tend to believe our own senses detect the one true reality. Other people imagine things or else lie.
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A lot of wild assumptions there declared as true. What a pointless post, as is this one.
 
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andrea_mori said:
So you are able to discern between "real" and "imagined", yet you cannot provide any measurement that demonstrates your ability to discern.

In other words, you hear that your DAC is source dependent and therefore it is "real", although you cannot provide any proof of it.
Others hear that an amp with higher distortion sounds better than another that measures better, but as others do not have your ability to discern then it is "imagined" and not "real".

Maybe you simplified it a little too much to make it work?
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It seems to me you fundamentally misunderstood the post.
 
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scottjoplin said:
For everyone it is true they may believe something? So what? If that's science I'm not going to waste my time reading about it.
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I don't think so, someone proclaims himself as a judge to discern what is "real" from what is "imagined".

But the judge has no evidence available to deliver the sentence.
In this case we are at the indicative trial without actual evidence.
This is law rather than science.
 
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Stability is not a feature of oscillator. A high amplification factor means high sensitivity to all kinds of internal and external influences. Now, a somewhat irrelevant question: what is the psychological impact of deviation from the rated frequency in a 2 channel playback system?
 
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andrea_mori said:
So you are able to discern between "real" and "imagined", yet you cannot provide any measurement that demonstrates your ability to discern.

In other words, you hear that your DAC is source dependent and therefore it is "real", although you cannot provide any proof of it ("real results")
Others hear that an amp with higher distortion sounds better than another that measures better, but as others do not have your ability to discern then it is "imagined" and not "real" ("fairy tales").

Maybe you simplified it a little too much to make it work?
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From factual technical insight I can deduct that there can be a difference. And I believe I have also heard it. But now that the method was revealed that could stop the clock adjustments, I'm not so sure I prefer that mode. Still under long term evaluation.

But I'm not out for these tiiiinnyyyy differences which that is about. Even if I do have two potent systems with different strengths I still chase the revolution. And it wont be clocks enabling it.

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TNT said:
From factual technical insight I can deduct that there can be a difference. And I believe I have also heard it. But now that the method was revealed that could stop the clock adjustments, I'm not so sure I prefer that mode. Still under long term evaluation.

But I'm not out for these tiiiinnyyyy differences which that is about. Even if I do have two potent systems with different strengths I still chase the revolution. And it wont be clocks enabling it.

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Nothing has changed.

Again you claim to hear further differences that are not reflected in the measurements at the output of the DAC.

However you continue to argue that you can hear them while others may not hear differences (e.g. between amps) unless they prove it with measurements.

So the measurements fail in your case but must still considered as reliable for the other people.

Did I get it right?
 
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andrea_mori said:
Nothing has changed.

Again you claim to hear further differences that are not reflected in the measurements at the output of the DAC.

However you continue to argue that you can hear them while others may not hear differences (e.g. between amps) unless they prove it with measurements.

So the measurements fail in your case but must still considered as reliable for the other people.

Did I get it right?
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No. As usual, you created your own reality.

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