Hello, everyone,
it all began at my friend’s request to do the CAD model and detailed drawings of the Audia Flight Strumento N1.
Over time, I’ve done the same for several chassis (Goldmund Telos, Vitus 103, D’Agostino Relentless, etc.) and Kyron Kronos body.
Some of them are adapted to the use non-original components (Strumento’s buttons, Kyron’s tweeter and mid-woofer) but otherwise my models are exactly the same as the original.
A few images of projects and, particularly, their realization, could be find below.
So, I can create 3D models, containing complete details and fastenings, of famous or less-known 😉 chasses. Having a model and drawings, you can produce them in any workshop.
I must add, reverse engineering doesn’t infringe anyone's copyright.
it all began at my friend’s request to do the CAD model and detailed drawings of the Audia Flight Strumento N1.
Over time, I’ve done the same for several chassis (Goldmund Telos, Vitus 103, D’Agostino Relentless, etc.) and Kyron Kronos body.
Some of them are adapted to the use non-original components (Strumento’s buttons, Kyron’s tweeter and mid-woofer) but otherwise my models are exactly the same as the original.
A few images of projects and, particularly, their realization, could be find below.
So, I can create 3D models, containing complete details and fastenings, of famous or less-known 😉 chasses. Having a model and drawings, you can produce them in any workshop.
I must add, reverse engineering doesn’t infringe anyone's copyright.
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Great stuff!! A few interesting turntables can benefit from the same treatment, per example Kronos Sparta.
GenMo:
I don't think that's correct, at least as far as US law is concerned. Being able to reverse engineer is not the same thing as being entitled to reverse engineer. I believe (under US law and very likely many other jurisdictions as well) that one cannot reverse engineer designs that are protected by a trademark or create a product so similar to the original that the public would be confused about its source. In other words, "knock-offs" are counterfeit and illegal.
Regards,
Scott
making DRAWINGS? No big deal.
Actually manufacturing them?
You are in hot water now and subject to prosecution, the reason being they are not generic shapes any more (typical rectangular boxes) but VERY distinctive and proprietary shapes.
In fact, I bet all of them are patented designs.
As protected as "word" brands.
You’re wrong.
I do not use OEM's drawings, don't take measurements from the physical model and do not use patented solutions.
"It is well recognized that a trade secret does not offer protection against discovery by fair and honest means such as by independent invention, accidental disclosure, or by so-called reverse engineering, that is, starting with the known product and working backward to divine the process, Thus, it is the employment of improper means to procure the trade secret, rather than mere copying or use, which is the basis of liability.”
Chicago Lock Co. v. Fanberg
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
676 F.2d 400 (1982)
I do not use OEM's drawings, don't take measurements from the physical model and do not use patented solutions.
"It is well recognized that a trade secret does not offer protection against discovery by fair and honest means such as by independent invention, accidental disclosure, or by so-called reverse engineering, that is, starting with the known product and working backward to divine the process, Thus, it is the employment of improper means to procure the trade secret, rather than mere copying or use, which is the basis of liability.”
Chicago Lock Co. v. Fanberg
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
676 F.2d 400 (1982)
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Are the physical items in the pictures the originals you have modeled from or the copies you have had manufactured?
Creating such a replica in a workshop will cost more than most people anticipate. Let alone the additional cost of applying a quality surface finish. Only a very high end project can justify this.
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I am sure there will be members who would wish to know where you had these items made so they can get their own designs made (without copying commercial designs).
Some members are always on the look out for low volume, high quality manufacturers.
Not 'any workshop' would be able or willing to produce one off items for private customers.
Some members are always on the look out for low volume, high quality manufacturers.
Not 'any workshop' would be able or willing to produce one off items for private customers.
These things are not made by me, but I know, where my friend ordered them.
Ask me - I'll answer in private.
Making a exact copy of a commercial unit for yourself shouldn't be a problem. Now going into production and selling them is another story. Although nothing stops the Chinese from doing it.
BillWojo
BillWojo
YOU are wrong.
Trade secret offers no legal protection, but we are not talking that here, so why would you mention it?
An enclosure SHAPE is of course not a secret: anybody can see it, it´s foolish to consider it so.
But an enclosure SHAPE can and certainly WILL be protected by a Manufacturer, as registered Industrial Design or equivalent.
And it does not even need to be an exact copy, any close enough to misguide a buyer is enough to get in trouble.
Of course you have already made up your mind about illegal copying.
Dear JMFahey, you look a little hesitant.
The last time you practiced law 2 weeks ago.
Since then I’ve already finished 2 projects.
Be bold and make a statement to D’Agostino.
If you're so smart, why can't you create a quality design that is original?
I think we all know the answer to that.