Feel sad knowing the world is turning like this...

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petrol cars become obsolete in 20 years. Driverless cars being introduced soon. Elon Musk's quest for bringing technology that no one really needs except maybe himself. endless manufacturing of products that don't really improve the life of humans, even, I'd risk saying decrease human interaction.
And we still can't recycle plastic bags in Canada!? Recycling is "optional" for manufacturers who throw away tons of reusable materials that just go into landfills! How can this still be legal? Do we or do we not want to clean up our planet?

Some of my points may seem to contradict each other but what I 'm saying is if I am going to be unsatisfied with the future (already the present), then I wish I could go back and live in the past. If technology would stop today, hell if it'd stopped 30 years ago, I'd have been fine with that. You can call a retarded anti-techno hilbilly but there's gotta be a better future than this...

it seems our destiny is ruled by the greed and the $
 
Yes indeed, throughout over 90% of our history, we existed as hunter-gatherers in what anthropologists call gift economies.

There was neither barter or trade within groups, any trade that did take place was with members of different groups.

In fact, surviving hunter-gatherers show amazing generosity and seem eager to share everything they own with outsiders.
 
What's new?

Gas powered vehicles aren't going to disappear in my lifetime, and unless the OP is twenty-something, probably won't in his lifetime.

All the hullabaloo about electric cars and all that isn't worth fretting over. Mining lithium has its environmental hazards, and you can't just throw your lithium batteries in the trash or local dump. Wait another ten years when people will be complaining about how expensive new batteries are, and how expensive it is to dispose of the old batteries.

I've heard that the hunter/gatherers complained about the all the animals mucking up the environment.
 
Right now your used motor oil is recycled by law. Batteries, the same. Since fracking and general oil
reserves are not sustainable, the present ICE system will phase itself out, if economics does not first.
Batteries have been recycled for many years.
 
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I'm sure the flint workers didn't like the bronze age coming, the bronze workers didn't like the iron age, peasants didn't like the seed drill etc. Personally I wonder at the fact that the cheap ( £45 ) phone in my hand can tell me FAR more than the encyclopedia Britannica, can answer bizarre questions that pop randomly into my head ( do Siamese twins both have a bellybutton? ), can alow me to go on amazing forums like this, tell me when bank holidays are, can solve electrical equations, keep me in touch with distant friends, can show me almost any video, can play almost any music, can order me CDs, books and electronic components ( and find spec sheets from numbers ) can direct me to anywhere on the planet - and much more. All in a thing that a working class person can afford. I'd rather have the internet than a luxury boat.
 
Right now your used motor oil is recycled by law.


Recycled or burned in ship diesels?


I'm not keen on owning an electric car as I rather like a stick shift, but for anyone who has spent their lives wallowing around with a sludgeomatic an electric just might be a better driving experience.


And before anyone complains, having done some long road trips in the states the cars make sense some 400 miles down the road.
 
An electric car can have low end torque and pickup that the ICE can't match. Much more fun to drive
than a stick ICE (which I have always owned so far, for better mileage over automatic).
 
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if I am going to be unsatisfied with the future (already the present), then I wish I could go back and live in the past.
Have you visited Lancaster County, Pennsylvania or Holmes County, Ohio?

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If there is EMP attack on North America that knocks out all electronics and power supplies, those groups in the picture above may be the only ones who survive. :scratch2:
 
Yes indeed, throughout over 90% of our history, we existed as hunter-gatherers in what anthropologists call gift economies.

There was neither barter or trade within groups, any trade that did take place was with members of different groups.

In fact, surviving hunter-gatherers show amazing generosity and seem eager to share everything they own with outsiders.
Are you certain that they didn't use flint as a currency? It can be divided, never goes off ( unlike meat ) always held it's value - perhaps arrow heads were the coins of the time.
 
I get tired of shifting and switch to the vehicle with automatic transmission. All three vehicles are gas powered. Cost $20k or less. That's my limit. Last car I bought was a 1998 Honda Civic in 1998. I do all the maintenance on our vehicles because even the oil change person screwed that up and stripped some screws on the Honda CR-V under cover/panel.

I'll buy a battery operated car when I can drive it across country with a range of at least 500 miles, and a charging station that is convenient to get to. And the battery operated car is around $20k or less. That might be never...
 
We have this romantic notion of what it was like to have lived in the past, myself, I can remember pre-technology times...the library was my friend. Now we have virtually unlimited access to information, the likes of which would take days, weeks of footwork....all of it at your fingertips.
The downside is this obsession with Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and their ilk...consuming precious time, energies & attention. It is a rabbit hole which was literally designed & engineered to "hook" you. The so-called conversations bandied about are not conversations, they are blather, pointless, unproductive musings.
We have here within this forum, right now, the moment you read this, inciteful readings, analysis, the very thought processes we're forming...quite a different thing than all those other sites.








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