FOR GOD's SAKE, LEARN TO SELECT THE TIME STAMP FOR THE YOUTUBE VIDEO! 😀
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these treated cones and the suspensions for light (Mg) cones first have to be broken in really well. I also thought the LX521 cones were "underplaying" it so to speak until I connected the AR D150 amp to them; no sign of overdamped any more 🙂. it is all in mating gear as always. it is an electro-mechanical system with complex interactions at each frequency which is to copy to air.
That appears to be the case, and the problem is that there may possibly be some merit in the other half. At least ScottG seems to think so.
But with that much snake oil it’s hard to sort out the facts from fiction. Which causes me in turn to pretty much discount everything he says. I don’t think anyone should have to work that hard at sorting it out. There are better sources for getting useful and valid information.
He also flipped his lid when Zaph tested his mid-woofer and didn't give it the glowing treatment he expected. And if memory serves, was for a long time pushing Bybee 'Quantum Filters'. He's a smart guy and knows how to design good speakers, to be sure. But not uniquely so, and there are plenty of others around giving as good or better information, without having to hold your nose and fast forward through his BS snake-oil bits, or the feuds he regularly finds himself in.
-before you think I'm biased here, I've now seen 3 of his videos (one previous to this and the 2 in this thread) and am NOT fond of them.
Is it the content, snake-oil or not?
Nope.
They are just BORING. 😱
(..which is why when looking for something negative to say about specific parts - PLEASE USE TIMESTAMP so we don't have to listen through the bla, bla, bla.)
Speaking of negative,
I'm not sure why koja is actually taking the time to watch them considering the way he interprets the information Danny is trying to sell. 😕
Maybe this is like that scene in Private Parts where they mention that the people that hate Stern listen LONGER to him than those that like him.. 😀
Is it the content, snake-oil or not?
Nope.
They are just BORING. 😱
(..which is why when looking for something negative to say about specific parts - PLEASE USE TIMESTAMP so we don't have to listen through the bla, bla, bla.)
Speaking of negative,
I'm not sure why koja is actually taking the time to watch them considering the way he interprets the information Danny is trying to sell. 😕
Maybe this is like that scene in Private Parts where they mention that the people that hate Stern listen LONGER to him than those that like him.. 😀
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The best snake oil vendors start with facts and real products and then stretch the truth to sell mass quantities of cheap to make products that do little or nothing. It is the modern way, build a large following with folksy, everyman talk and the money comes rolling in.
It does seem like a waste of time and effort trying to figure out what you can trust someone like that on.
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with SL and Jeff Bagby gone, John (Zaph) K retired from diy speakers, we are slowly getting short of credible enthusiasts supporting this hobby with worthy contributions. That in combo with too much (Covid) time in front of the monitor adds up to watching snake oil spinners. I feel lucky Papa is still around so I can always "go home" to Pass forum.
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Flipped lid?
Yep on the 1st count.
And Yep again on the second count- when Jeff B didn't see the merit of them doing nothing.
Wolf
That's an awfully snide way of saying you don't feel anyone else is worth their salt. There are quite a few enthusiasts still around that are worthy and contribute heavily.
Wolf
Wolf, I don't think you should take this personally. What koja was saying is that we are slowly getting short of credible enthusiasts supporting this hobby. And he is right about that. The people he listed are a big loss considering their many contributions over the years. Also Dennis Murphy while still somewhat active is partailly retired from the scene.
Certainly you and a few others are still making worthy contributions. But it would be good if we could see more new people to replace the talent that is now gone. Hopefully more will emerge, but that doesn't seem to be happening at the moment.
I understand what he's saying. Thinking he simply meant losing some audio people of legendary status. That's certainly the case with Linkwitz, and maybe even Jeff Bagby. The same will be said of guys like Nelson Pass.
Pioneers use their specialty to take us to new levels. It takes a community to earnestly keep the information for others, while respecting its integrity.
It wasn't that I was taking taking it personally, but that I see a lot of talent out there. These below are in the 40-50 age group, and are filling in where the older fellas have left off:
Paul Carmody
CJD
Nick (ugly woofer)
Johnny Richards
Ben Cooper
DanP
Kerry Arnes
Javad Shadzi
There really aren't many younger 'designers'. A lot of the millennials prefer others to do work for them, or at least those I work with do. There are some in the 30 age group that are doing well like Keith Etheredge and Rory Buszka, but it seems fewer younger than my age bracket of GenX. We've done our homework, and understand the world without computers and how to learn solutions.
I've known Dennis since 2003, and he is worth his salt. We've had some discussions over the years...
Include me in the list if you will, I just type a lot and have an infectious enthusiasm. Thanks.
Wolf
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Hi,
I find some of your comments about GRResearch, Danny have not been fair, my opinions are:
a. I understand technical terms and a qualification to support that, I design DIY Speakers. and do also build speakers for myself.
b. I bought some drivers from Danny, incl M130, M165X and a few tweeters, his drivers may not be top-notch stuff but priced fairly and more importantly sounds pretty good for the price, also easy to design, they are well behaved.
c. Most of his advice is pretty sound esp. in the design of speakers. His after service is pretty good as well.
What are contentious are some aspects of his ideas which may be fairly subjective where even the most knowledgeable Hi-FI gurus may disagree on. In summary, I find him to be a fairly genuine guy and a fair trader, please remember he is running a Business not just giving Free advice. Sometimes free advice can be subjective and worse still wrong and inaccurate too even though the intentions are good.
I find some of your comments about GRResearch, Danny have not been fair, my opinions are:
a. I understand technical terms and a qualification to support that, I design DIY Speakers. and do also build speakers for myself.
b. I bought some drivers from Danny, incl M130, M165X and a few tweeters, his drivers may not be top-notch stuff but priced fairly and more importantly sounds pretty good for the price, also easy to design, they are well behaved.
c. Most of his advice is pretty sound esp. in the design of speakers. His after service is pretty good as well.
What are contentious are some aspects of his ideas which may be fairly subjective where even the most knowledgeable Hi-FI gurus may disagree on. In summary, I find him to be a fairly genuine guy and a fair trader, please remember he is running a Business not just giving Free advice. Sometimes free advice can be subjective and worse still wrong and inaccurate too even though the intentions are good.
Other than Paul Carmody and Javad Shadzi I've never heard of any of the other people. I may not be looking in the right places, but if they are making contributions that are comparable to SL or Jeff Bagby it would sure be good to know more about it.
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Danny is a talented enough practitioner to design standard speakers and high-level crossovers. But all of the hand-waving on other things makes it difficult to take him seriously regards anything else. Everything he says becomes this cloud of speculative nonsense.
If he would just focus, focus, focus, on the things he's capable of he would be taken more seriously. Unfortunately, that approach is not in his DNA.
Dave.
If he would just focus, focus, focus, on the things he's capable of he would be taken more seriously. Unfortunately, that approach is not in his DNA.
Dave.
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Danny’s drivers and speaker designs may perform very well and be a good value for the money. No one is questioning that aspect of his business.
But as he tries to expand into other areas that he doesn’t really understand and then publishes videos that are scientifically unsound in order to sell those products he has opened himself up to major criticism. And it’s particularly disturbing to have him refer to professional engineers who truly do understand the science as ‘flat earthers” in order to mock them, when he himself does not understand the science and as a result has simply become a snake oil salesman for these products.
He has recently published four videos in an attempt sell his new speaker cables. In those videos he has repeatedly claimed that they provide superior audio performance without ever once proving it. Not a single one of his tests or theories proves anything about improved audio quality. They are all distractions from the real facts.
All he has done is to offer you his opinion on the cables, which is virtually useless. He does not believe in double blind testing and mocks it. And he won’t even subject the cables to single blind testing with an impartial jury. Everything is just a matter of giving you his opinion. And it’s obviously working. He has a very loyal following on AudioCircle who rarely, if ever, question what he says.
I began to be suspicious of his true knowledge when reading his comments about tube connectors. That was a huge flag and now the latest videos on cables confirms to me that he has no scientific basis or actual experiments to prove his claims for any of these products.
In essence, everything he posts is simply “take my word for it”. Well, I’m sorry, but as a real engineer I need to see a lot more quality and impartial testing before giving up any of my dollars.
Caveat Emptor
But as he tries to expand into other areas that he doesn’t really understand and then publishes videos that are scientifically unsound in order to sell those products he has opened himself up to major criticism. And it’s particularly disturbing to have him refer to professional engineers who truly do understand the science as ‘flat earthers” in order to mock them, when he himself does not understand the science and as a result has simply become a snake oil salesman for these products.
He has recently published four videos in an attempt sell his new speaker cables. In those videos he has repeatedly claimed that they provide superior audio performance without ever once proving it. Not a single one of his tests or theories proves anything about improved audio quality. They are all distractions from the real facts.
All he has done is to offer you his opinion on the cables, which is virtually useless. He does not believe in double blind testing and mocks it. And he won’t even subject the cables to single blind testing with an impartial jury. Everything is just a matter of giving you his opinion. And it’s obviously working. He has a very loyal following on AudioCircle who rarely, if ever, question what he says.
I began to be suspicious of his true knowledge when reading his comments about tube connectors. That was a huge flag and now the latest videos on cables confirms to me that he has no scientific basis or actual experiments to prove his claims for any of these products.
In essence, everything he posts is simply “take my word for it”. Well, I’m sorry, but as a real engineer I need to see a lot more quality and impartial testing before giving up any of my dollars.
Caveat Emptor
I don't have a problem with any of the above (with one *exception), we all give our opinion all the time - and some of us sell it (..even if some of us that do don't make a profit).
You put yourself out there and there will ALWAYS be "pot-shots", regardless if you are selling or not. Something will ALWAYS be controversial, even if it's not obviously controversial (..like selling cables that are more expensive than what you could put-together from Home Depot, or mocking rigorous testing).
*To me the troubling aspect is that "loyal following" thing.. that's just nuts when you effectively start substituting the opinion of another for your own, even if it's a well-founded opinion.
Yeah, I looked back at Audio Circle (GR Research) and there was plenty of that: just nutty behavior a New York Minute away from some of the absurd political behavior that the US has recently had a "taste" of.
In truth though I could same the same here for this VERY THREAD.
The premise that the Orion is some sort of exalted design that couldn't possibly be improved upon (especially for particular needs for a single individual), is just absurd. ANY design could be improved upon, that's the nature of improvement (..and SL certainly chased after that with dynamic driver open baffles). Moreover that theme has been bolstered on the premise that SL was "so far above" anyone else (or almost anyone else) that it would be pointless to do so. Again, the same sort of ardent hero worship as the Audio Circle group, but with a different person.
Sure, there are LOTs of good designers out there (and on rare occasion brilliant like Dan Neubecker), but please don't go thinking any of their designs couldn't possibly be improved upon - especially if it's for a specific purpose (..like turning Active into Passive). ..And just about anyone could come up with an improvement. IF you can show that improvement: so much the better.
You put yourself out there and there will ALWAYS be "pot-shots", regardless if you are selling or not. Something will ALWAYS be controversial, even if it's not obviously controversial (..like selling cables that are more expensive than what you could put-together from Home Depot, or mocking rigorous testing).
*To me the troubling aspect is that "loyal following" thing.. that's just nuts when you effectively start substituting the opinion of another for your own, even if it's a well-founded opinion.
Yeah, I looked back at Audio Circle (GR Research) and there was plenty of that: just nutty behavior a New York Minute away from some of the absurd political behavior that the US has recently had a "taste" of.
In truth though I could same the same here for this VERY THREAD.
The premise that the Orion is some sort of exalted design that couldn't possibly be improved upon (especially for particular needs for a single individual), is just absurd. ANY design could be improved upon, that's the nature of improvement (..and SL certainly chased after that with dynamic driver open baffles). Moreover that theme has been bolstered on the premise that SL was "so far above" anyone else (or almost anyone else) that it would be pointless to do so. Again, the same sort of ardent hero worship as the Audio Circle group, but with a different person.
Sure, there are LOTs of good designers out there (and on rare occasion brilliant like Dan Neubecker), but please don't go thinking any of their designs couldn't possibly be improved upon - especially if it's for a specific purpose (..like turning Active into Passive). ..And just about anyone could come up with an improvement. IF you can show that improvement: so much the better.
I am new to this forum. Long time ago when I was young I thought about building my own speakers. But at that time I couldn't afford them. Now I think again about building my own speakers according to plans from some expert - and now I can afford them.
I have to admit in the last couple of months I saw many of Danny's videos and he seemed to be an expert to me. And he didn't try to sell, sell, sell so that was an extra point.
Then one day he started with his tube connectors. With my little knowledge I thought that doesn't sound correct. But I never had a stereo system for a couple of thousand USD so I can't really say if those tube connectors make any difference at a high end level.
And now I saw Danny's cable videos and his experiments with RF and coils to somehow show that his speaker cables are better. I was not impressed. And in the last video he talks not only about special mains cable. He tells the viewers that some special mains cable are good for situation X but maybe too much for situation Y which needs other special mains cable. And that was the moment when I switched off the video. I really didn't want to waste more time.
My "problem" is that after this it is difficult to trust Danny's advice about speakers. And I also question his DIY sets which a few weeks ago I considered buying.
My question is now: Where to go from here? I would like to build my own speakers. And I am pretty sure it should be possible to build good quality speakers for less than what high end companies charge for their speakers.
Who are well known speaker designers who sell sets of drivers with crossovers and cabinet plans? Or as an alternative maybe some designers don't sell sets but it's possible to buy all the parts and build the speakers according to specs.
I am sure many of the members are here since a long time and they know the good speaker designers.
In the moment my idea is to one time build a set of speakers. I don't want to build some speakers now and maybe in a year another better pair and so on. Any recommendations? Thanks!
I have to admit in the last couple of months I saw many of Danny's videos and he seemed to be an expert to me. And he didn't try to sell, sell, sell so that was an extra point.
Then one day he started with his tube connectors. With my little knowledge I thought that doesn't sound correct. But I never had a stereo system for a couple of thousand USD so I can't really say if those tube connectors make any difference at a high end level.
And now I saw Danny's cable videos and his experiments with RF and coils to somehow show that his speaker cables are better. I was not impressed. And in the last video he talks not only about special mains cable. He tells the viewers that some special mains cable are good for situation X but maybe too much for situation Y which needs other special mains cable. And that was the moment when I switched off the video. I really didn't want to waste more time.
My "problem" is that after this it is difficult to trust Danny's advice about speakers. And I also question his DIY sets which a few weeks ago I considered buying.
My question is now: Where to go from here? I would like to build my own speakers. And I am pretty sure it should be possible to build good quality speakers for less than what high end companies charge for their speakers.
Who are well known speaker designers who sell sets of drivers with crossovers and cabinet plans? Or as an alternative maybe some designers don't sell sets but it's possible to buy all the parts and build the speakers according to specs.
I am sure many of the members are here since a long time and they know the good speaker designers.
In the moment my idea is to one time build a set of speakers. I don't want to build some speakers now and maybe in a year another better pair and so on. Any recommendations? Thanks!