Well, that's OK but we all DO have our own unique listening quirks. It VERY much depends on the driver as well; like I said, some tweeters especially just sound better with a "softer" sounding capacitor while others sound better with a more "direct" sounding capacitor.
I get "MY" best results with the Superior Z+ Audyn Plus (double wound) small value and + CDE 940C very small value. I have done it this way many times and I find it to be the best combination for "ME". That certainly does not mean others will agree at all. Again, experiment, that is the ONLY way...CHEERS!
I get "MY" best results with the Superior Z+ Audyn Plus (double wound) small value and + CDE 940C very small value. I have done it this way many times and I find it to be the best combination for "ME". That certainly does not mean others will agree at all. Again, experiment, that is the ONLY way...CHEERS!
I have a very high output "Vifa" Ti dome tweeter with large wave guide. ONLY "softer" sounding capacitors make it sound "right"; the CSA makes it sound too bright for sure in the mids; even the Superior Z does not work well here. In this case, the Cebo or plain Solen are a better match. This is just one example; without measuring I am only guessing the more expensive and more accurate caps allow "too much" and is too peaky or bright for these. The Cebo or Solens or other similar don't let as much detail get through, they mask or veil the finer details but in this exact example; that is what is required...experiment...works for me!
that's in your system ,is like a recipe ..sometime you need counter move to compensate ....
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Real capacitors deviate from the ideal capacitor equation in a number of ways. Some of these, such as leakage current and parasitic effects are linear, or can be analyzed as nearly linear, and can be dealt with by adding virtual components to the equivalent circuit of an ideal capacitor. The usual methods of network analysis can then be applied.[32] In other cases, such as with breakdown voltage, the effect is non-linear and ordinary (normal, e.g., linear) network analysis cannot be used, the effect must be dealt with separately. There is yet another group, which may be linear but invalidate the assumption in the analysis that capacitance is a constant. Such an example is temperature dependence. Finally, combined parasitic effects such as inherent inductance, resistance, or dielectric losses can exhibit non-uniform behavior at variable frequencies of operation.
The above from WikiPedia on capacitors. There is no such thing as an ideal or perfect capacitor, inductor, resistor, etc. Some people try to convince us that there is no way in the audio band any of these things could possibly affect "sound quality"...WRONG!
Real capacitors deviate from the ideal capacitor equation in a number of ways. Some of these, such as leakage current and parasitic effects are linear, or can be analyzed as nearly linear, and can be dealt with by adding virtual components to the equivalent circuit of an ideal capacitor. The usual methods of network analysis can then be applied.[32] In other cases, such as with breakdown voltage, the effect is non-linear and ordinary (normal, e.g., linear) network analysis cannot be used, the effect must be dealt with separately. There is yet another group, which may be linear but invalidate the assumption in the analysis that capacitance is a constant. Such an example is temperature dependence. Finally, combined parasitic effects such as inherent inductance, resistance, or dielectric losses can exhibit non-uniform behavior at variable frequencies of operation.
The above from WikiPedia on capacitors. There is no such thing as an ideal or perfect capacitor, inductor, resistor, etc. Some people try to convince us that there is no way in the audio band any of these things could possibly affect "sound quality"...WRONG!
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I listen to Baroque 12 hours a day. I am a Musician first, Engineer second and Technician third. Do NOT try to tell me what I can NOT hear; do NOT try to tell me I do NOT know what I am talking about! You new tech measurement guys have a place in our world but again; the human brain and our developed hearing trumps all of that by several orders of magnitude! Never question what is possible or not possible if you don't really have a clue OK? Get a grip guys; Music is real, Science is real; they do work together if you look past the BS BIAS!!!
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I listen to Baroque 12 hours a day. I am a Musician first, Engineer second and Technician third. Do NOT try to tell me what I can NOT hear; do NOT try to tell me I do NOT know what I am talking about! You new tech measurement guys have a place in our world but again; the human brain and our developed hearing trumps all of that by several orders of magnitude! Never question what is possible or not possible if you don't really have a clue OK? Get a grip guys; Music is real, Science is real; they do work together if you look past the BS BIAS!!!
But does not science say that there exists something like expected bias and we humans are very sensitive to it, so sensitive that we must take measures about it when we test and study things
Could I politely inquire where the statements that provoked such an aggressive set of comments are? The above was posted with a time stamp of 1420 hours (UK time), and there does not appear to be anything whatsoever between this, and the post you made prior to it (time stamp 1148 UK time), to justify this nonsense. Nor can I find a single example of any such remarks since the 23rd of this month (I assume a week is sufficient).
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From many places from many posts on many subjects. So many people try to say that ONLY measurements matter. I agree we need proof sometimes but I also know sometimes what it is we wish to prove cannot be done with anything less than a really sophisticated test and measurement set. So often the so called experts refuse to ever believe that the human brain's ability to sort things out is really quite remarkable, way above and beyond the simple home based software and testing that is available.
Measurements matters only when it is correlated with adequate statistics/proof. Going opposite, claims matters only when it's correlated with measurements/proof. If not successfully measured, either claim is wrong or it is measured in the wrong way!
I had for many years a Naim amp, I went to a loudspeaker producer with the amp. I had the recommended cables from Naim with me, but we tested also silver cables. Silver cables produced more "details" than my Naim cables. But after measuring the frequency response, silver cables just increased the treble, hence more details, duh!
Regarding our brains capacity for evaluation of whatsoever with no proof, and reading in general comments online, I have my doubts!
Reading your NOT comments, makes me go hmm!
I had for many years a Naim amp, I went to a loudspeaker producer with the amp. I had the recommended cables from Naim with me, but we tested also silver cables. Silver cables produced more "details" than my Naim cables. But after measuring the frequency response, silver cables just increased the treble, hence more details, duh!
Regarding our brains capacity for evaluation of whatsoever with no proof, and reading in general comments online, I have my doubts!
Reading your NOT comments, makes me go hmm!
I'm kinda wondering why the stand-offish comments even exist. You either think what you think or you are easily moved. This is also rooted in both philosophy and faith. Those with strong convictions are not easily swayed. But to come across forthright kind of makes one doubt another- whereas without the forwardness, the information may have been taken and agreed with more readily.
I've tried to experiment and provide data, only to find that statistically nothing holds water. Therefore, I experiment and demonstrate the process for others and let them decide. I state my case and findings, and let the info fall as it may. There will always be skeptics, believers, deniers, and doubters.
Wolf
I've tried to experiment and provide data, only to find that statistically nothing holds water. Therefore, I experiment and demonstrate the process for others and let them decide. I state my case and findings, and let the info fall as it may. There will always be skeptics, believers, deniers, and doubters.
Wolf
Yes, well, I do get rather mouthy at times, no one should ever take it personally though please! Again, so many have tried measurements before to try to determine why different capacitors may sound different and the results usually don't show much of anything at all. I am not talking about differences in measured capacitance; that does explain a few things but that is not the real issue here at all. What I am saying is that these things that so many of us can so clearly hear as differences in capacitor "sound quality"; I have yet to see a test and measurement result that can prove or disprove what I know for certain to be real.
While you find bypasses are beneficial, I am not in that camp. Bypasses to me tend to alter tonal balance and focus is decreased. I've even had bypasses delay and sound like an echo of the original source info. That was the last time I tried it.
I tend to use alike-brands when paralleling for value so that the sound is not affected, like Jantzen Z-caps all 3 in parallel. ClarityCaps to me do not like other brands and sound funny when tried this way. Keep 'em in the family.
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Wolf
I tend to use alike-brands when paralleling for value so that the sound is not affected, like Jantzen Z-caps all 3 in parallel. ClarityCaps to me do not like other brands and sound funny when tried this way. Keep 'em in the family.
Later,
Wolf
"While you find bypasses are beneficial, I am not in that camp. Bypasses to me tend to alter tonal balance and focus is decreased. I've even had bypasses delay and sound like an echo of the original source info. That was the last time I tried it."
Who's your dealer, I want some of this pot😀
Who's your dealer, I want some of this pot😀
Wolf, agree this is a thing we must experiment with. Some bypass experiments do way more harm than good for sure. Is there a magic formula? Some say use 10% and 1% both; you can also try 1% and 0.1% I do it purely by trial and error. I can say with great confidence if you get a good combination; the results are much better definition, a deeper dig into the mix and the wow factor goes way up! NOT for those without time to spare; I have nothing but time; I will spend hours happily experimenting and listening away to my heart's and ear's content...
An example of your keep 'em in the family...My Fostex T90A has two each Mundorf Silver/Oil capacitors in parallel. I really liked the results but felt I wasn't getting quite "everything" this $200+ tweeter should be giving me. I tried several very small value bypass caps. I ended up with 0.047 uF CDE 940C series, 3000 Volt. I got my "wow" factor only after adding this! So, putting a $3 cap across some almost $100 worth of caps got me where I wanted to be. NOT recommended for everyone for sure!
An example of your keep 'em in the family...My Fostex T90A has two each Mundorf Silver/Oil capacitors in parallel. I really liked the results but felt I wasn't getting quite "everything" this $200+ tweeter should be giving me. I tried several very small value bypass caps. I ended up with 0.047 uF CDE 940C series, 3000 Volt. I got my "wow" factor only after adding this! So, putting a $3 cap across some almost $100 worth of caps got me where I wanted to be. NOT recommended for everyone for sure!
Peter, this thread post #91
I must be smokin the same stuff as wolf! 😀
I do like bypassing sometimes on the tweeter series cap though
I must be smokin the same stuff as wolf! 😀
I do like bypassing sometimes on the tweeter series cap though
What's funny about the 'echo' experiment, is that it was a CDE mylar Film/foil across a Mundorf Supreme.... which are VERY similar to the Fostex caps that oldspkr used.
Wolf
Wolf
MCap(R) SUPREME Silver.Oil Classic♪◙ - Mundorf
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/88/940C-1488805.pdf
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cornell-Dubilier-CDE/940C30S47K-F/?qs=gSIQ2CbtXsYGKLy6248XRQ==
Fostex T90A Horn Super Tweeter
Very custom 2nd order; for my old ears, this gets the job done.
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/88/940C-1488805.pdf
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cornell-Dubilier-CDE/940C30S47K-F/?qs=gSIQ2CbtXsYGKLy6248XRQ==
Fostex T90A Horn Super Tweeter
Very custom 2nd order; for my old ears, this gets the job done.
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