You can get a pair of used SH50 for $4500 near Nashville. Ebay. I don't have enough room for them, only 44 sqm music room.
That's a good price. I just looked up the price of the ones that I wanted to buy, back in the day, and it was $6000.
It's a long story, but basically:
1) I rented a set of SH50s
2) After renting them, I emailed the owner about buying them
3) They never responded
4) years later, I saw the exact same set for sale on eBay. Couldn't agree to a sale because I thought $6000 was too much.
It's a long story, but basically:
1) I rented a set of SH50s
2) After renting them, I emailed the owner about buying them
3) They never responded
4) years later, I saw the exact same set for sale on eBay. Couldn't agree to a sale because I thought $6000 was too much.
I am talking about the new price of Go2 8 CX which is roughly 3000 USD for a pair. The new price of the SH50 is about 9000 USD for a pair and you need a much more substantial speaker stand, while you can use a telescopic stand for a Go2. While the new price is roughly 1/3 of the SH-50 in case of the Go2, the sound difference will be way less than that, and I am quite sure there are quite a few people who would find the Go2 better a bit more "hifi" sounding for their system and for their room. As I mentioned I changed my Avantgarde Trio to an SH50 and I was living with it for some 5 years while using in studios and for PA as well. So I am quite familiar with it.
I do not want to convince anybody about anything, but based on my experience with them, I think the brand new Go2 is a better deal than even a used SH-50 if you have an average room and if you want to listen on a moderate (less than 95-98 dB peak) from a distance of 1,5m - 5 or 6 m at home.
If you want something really extraordinary and your listening distance is less than 3 or 4m than you have to look at the Studio 2, which is a completely different beast anyway. While we are waiting for the Signature Series. 🙂
Hi ferenc,
thank you very much for the additional info wrt the Go2 speakers!
The 8 inch coaxial looks like it may be a B&C unit, can you confirm if this is correct?
Thats quite a list of Danley speakers you have auditioned, are you a Danley dealer?
Curiously I also used the SH50's with MC2 Audio S1400 amps, two of them in bridged mono mode 🙂
I actually preferred the old workhorse BSS EPC-780 to the much newer S1400.
Also used a whole variety of tube amps and hifi solid state amps.
thank you very much for the additional info wrt the Go2 speakers!
The 8 inch coaxial looks like it may be a B&C unit, can you confirm if this is correct?
Thats quite a list of Danley speakers you have auditioned, are you a Danley dealer?
Curiously I also used the SH50's with MC2 Audio S1400 amps, two of them in bridged mono mode 🙂
I actually preferred the old workhorse BSS EPC-780 to the much newer S1400.
Also used a whole variety of tube amps and hifi solid state amps.
I was dealing with Danley as a system integrator, a designer from 2007 up to 2014 and follow them since I left my previous company in mid-2014. I know quite a few of them personally very well, Tom Danley is a real genius and a real gentleman but the rest of their team are very knowledgeable too, no nonsense type of guys and always very helpful. Nowadays I do not deal with them (and audio retail at all) but like them a lot and follow their new products with great interest.
I found the older MC2 the MC1250 better for the Danley speakers than the newer S1400. Generally speaking Parasound amps sound very good with any Danley, even the smallest one the zAmp v3 is really surprising with the Go2 and other 8 inch coaxes like the SM LPM for example.
I have no info what kind of coax they are using, to be honest.
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Yep, I'm a little surprised too, that there hasn't been more talk about how they interact in a room...but like you said 🙂
It's good to hear the SH-50's cupped mouth sound abated outdoors.
I haven't been able to get my latest 75x50 outside for a good listen yet, but the previous versions all sounded better outside...but then again, every dang speaker i've ever heard that isn't a dipole or omni or such, sounds better without a room 🙂
I'm really thinking the cupped sound is about power response, DI, whatever is the right term for pattern vs freq. Gonna be my current study focus.
As to your thoughts about the 12"s resonating around in the horn....
Well, maybe a related puzzler,... in all my different builds, the low-mids which have had ports ranging from 5-7 inches from the throat,
......the CD measures closer in distance than the mid-low drivers.
Simple geometry says no-way, but measured time-of-flight to apparent acoustic centers says cones out the horn are further back than the CD at apex ???
(Oh, should mention all my builds cross low/mids directly to CD , with xover varying between 480-700Hz.)
Hi Mark,
reading your response I'm thinking my description of the cupped sound may not be the best. What I really mean is that the lower midrange is a bit muffled and the midbass is bleeding into the midrange, making particularly the lower register of male voices sound unnatural.
Regarding the CD measuring closer than the mids, I guess the mids are reflecting off the opposing horn wall before exiting the horn while the cd has a direct path. This may account for the added time of flight for the mids.
Also not sure if the acoustical lowpass filter function of the mid port holes/throat chamber may account for some additional delay.
Hi Patrick, do you mean the woofer bass reflex ports, rather than the primary woofer ports?
40 cm from CD seems way too far for the primary woofer ports.
If in fact you meant the woofer's bass reflex ports, I don't think 40cm represents much phase rotation at the wavelengths those ports are contributing output.
100 Hz with a WL of 343cm, may already be above the highest frequency of any meaningful contribution, and 40cm @ 100Hz equals less than 45 degrees phase rotation.
Plus, I think the relevant distance, is that between the primary ports and the reflex ports, not all the way back to the CD.
It's the two different types of woofer ports that need to sum in phase, isn't it?
Hi Mark,
definitely alot less than 40cm from the woofer taps to the apex. The entire speaker is 65cm deep. Bass reflex ports are about halfway into the horn, and the woofer taps another 3 inches in.
Regarding the relevant distance for the woofer taps, that would be to the midrange taps. You want less than 1/4 WL at crossover frequency between the two bands.
I did REW measurements of all bands separate, with the other drivers disconnected, to find the crossover frequencies. If I remember correctly, the woofers were lowpassed around 300hz. That will allow a max distance of 28cm to the mid taps.
definitely alot less than 40cm from the woofer taps to the apex. The entire speaker is 65cm deep. Bass reflex ports are about halfway into the horn, and the woofer taps another 3 inches in.
Regarding the relevant distance for the woofer taps, that would be to the midrange taps. You want less than 1/4 WL at crossover frequency between the two bands.
I did REW measurements of all bands separate, with the other drivers disconnected, to find the crossover frequencies. If I remember correctly, the woofers were lowpassed around 300hz. That will allow a max distance of 28cm to the mid taps.
Hi Lament, Thanks for that. Confirms what I felt pretty sure of.
Regarding the woofer taps...yes, the upper range of the woofer of course has to mate with the lower end of the midrange, and the distance between those ports govern.
That woofer-to-mid tap distance relationship was not the one i was discussing, when questioning Patrick's post.
There, i was saying the woofer's bass reflex ports, which i take are what he meant at about 40cm out, need to be considered relative to the woofers main (primary) ports.
Your REW measurements match all i've read about the SH-50's xovers.
Right, sorry I misunderstood that part 🙂
I don't know, but I would not think the distance between the woofer taps and reflex ports are very important if related at all. I believe it is beneficial to move the reflex ports as far away from the apex as possible, to avoid reflection and diffraction. If I remember correctly, the ports were pretty much at the intersection between inner horn wall and the box it is mounted in.
Wouldn't this be the same as a regular speaker where port placement is not very critical in relation to the upper part of the woofer's response?
That's my take too....that the distance between woofer taps and reflex ports is not at all critical, because it can't help but fall well inside 1/4 WL spacing at the low frequencies involved.
And another yep, getting the reflex ports away from the apex just helps more to keep from messing up polars of the woofers.
Here's where the reflex ports ended up on my latest.
The cross sectional duct area created when the lid is put on, is about the same as the 2.375" dia port holes.
Made for a surprisingly easy way of adding the reflex ports 🙂
And another yep, getting the reflex ports away from the apex just helps more to keep from messing up polars of the woofers.
Here's where the reflex ports ended up on my latest.
The cross sectional duct area created when the lid is put on, is about the same as the 2.375" dia port holes.
Made for a surprisingly easy way of adding the reflex ports 🙂
Thanks Lament 🙂
It's a really easy build as far as synergies go....
And weighs only 53lbs with secondary flares, having about a 225Hz horiz pattern control per Bill Waslo's sheet! (I am unabashedly proud of the low weight haha)
I've tuned it with the dcx464 and it worked great.
Right now, i have a pair running using the bms 4594he...which plain work.
Either CD totally rocks; i only have one dcx so that has as much to do as anything why i'm currently using the bms's.
It's a really easy build as far as synergies go....
And weighs only 53lbs with secondary flares, having about a 225Hz horiz pattern control per Bill Waslo's sheet! (I am unabashedly proud of the low weight haha)
I've tuned it with the dcx464 and it worked great.
Right now, i have a pair running using the bms 4594he...which plain work.
Either CD totally rocks; i only have one dcx so that has as much to do as anything why i'm currently using the bms's.
Even after living with the SH 50 for almost 10 years, I feel the small Danley Go 2 8 CX should be an absolutely perfect loudspeaker for most of those who want to get a taste of the Danley way of reproducing music. It is really incredible and amazing speaker.
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Very direct, lively, no smearing, blurring at all, balanced and smooth. Easy to drive, I could drive it very well with a 12W headphone amp. 🙂 if you do not mind the strange, plastic shape, it can be a speaker for an entire life, and it sounds really musical with any good music, any genre.
Imaging is as good as a very good coax can be, if the recording has some real space and air, the Go2 will show it. It does not matter a lot where you put it, can be in the corner, in the middle of the room, even on the floor as a stage floor monitor, it always sounds just right. There is some kind of organic liveliness in its music reproduction.
If one does not have space and the budget for an SH50 but wants to get a taste of it, you can not go wrong with the Go2 8 CX. It can be used as a nearfield monitor, you will enjoy it from 1 - 1,5m or so up to 5-6m listening distance.
I do not need a sub for it, but it can be easily integrated with a sub if it is as quick and controlled as the Go2.
Hi ferenc,
Do you know which of the 3 B&C 8" coaxes it uses?
That looks like a super easy build.
BTW, what does the Go2 sell for?
Thx!
Do you know which of the 3 B&C 8" coaxes it uses?
That looks like a super easy build.
BTW, what does the Go2 sell for?
Thx!
I have no idea, to be honest. I am not a builder anymore. I just enjoy it. The price of the pair should be somewhere around or less than 3000 USD, and I definitely did not hear any speaker in this price range (pro or hifi) which I like more than the Go2 or which would be more universal, easier to integrate into a moderate room and HiFi system. Sounds good with my 200W solid-state amp (Audionet Amp I) and sounded very good with a 12W headphone amp (TMP Ant SE).
So did we loose what the new Danley innovations in the Tom Danley Signature line are? I thought we were going to get more info but it went quiet here. If you watch the video from DSL fireside chat Mike says that Tom had a breakthrough and that its the greatest breakthrough he has ever had. Considering what Tom has done its quite the statement. It also leads me to believe that its something we haven't seen or heard before. I didn't know if the ones that know aren't saying or if its truly a secret.
Also of note the shark fin has a width of nearly180 deg. So the synergy can have very wide dispersion.
Also of note the shark fin has a width of nearly180 deg. So the synergy can have very wide dispersion.