But that's the problem. No one has any problem with your measurements. What we have a problem with are your listening impressions. You know this and everyone else here knows this.
Until we get beyond this nothing will progress.
It's not a problem, if you don't trust my listening impressions (and from others) I can't help.
I have no reason trying to convince you.
No, but the problem arises when you go spreading your gospel as obvious unassailable truth. You know, like when you polluted Soekris' thread with unsubstantiated claims that the oscillator he used was audibly inadequate and that he basically doesn't know what he is doing regarding clocks.
No one argues with your measurements. In fact, I appreciate your measurements and the work you have put in on your clocks. I may not agree that it's necessary, that's all.
No one argues with your measurements. In fact, I appreciate your measurements and the work you have put in on your clocks. I may not agree that it's necessary, that's all.
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I'm pointing out to you that others can too. Remember, syn08 offered his input on this."Adequate amount of sound characteristics can be predicted based on measurements now, especially DACs and amps."
And so? Are you unable to predict the sound characteristics of the DACs whose measurements I have linked?
I had no doubt.
What makes you think you can trust your listening impressions more to the point, do you know how fragile they are?
Sure. You make an observation of some strange phenomena you then go on to prove that it actually exists. We've had the initial observation we haven't had the proof.
Wrong, observation and proof with measurements.
Now you can demonstrate the opposite.
I'm here.
What makes you think you can trust your listening impressions more to the point, do you know how fragile they are?
This is the key wedge issue.
Would you agree that the readers should believe my listening impression more than your listening impression because I've listened in a room with excellent acoustics?It's not a problem, if you don't trust my listening impressions (and from others) I can't help.
I have no reason trying to convince you.
No, but the problem arises when you go spreading your gospel as obvious unassailable truth. You know, like when you polluted Soekris' thread with unsubstantiated claims that the oscillator he used was audibly inadequate and that he basically doesn't know what he is doing regarding clocks.
No one argues with your measurements. In fact, I appreciate your measurements and the work you have put in on your clocks. I may not agree that it's necessary, that's all.
I have polluted nothing, I have said that I don't agree with the design architecture.
Or am I not free to write this about a diy product presented in a diy audio forum?
After I have measured the DAM1021 and I have published the results.
They confirmed my observations about the design.
Sure. You make an observation of some strange phenomena you then go on to prove that it actually exists. We've had the initial observation we haven't had the proof.
The second stage would be to repeat the experiment , and then have someone else confirm the observation.
If you don't have something specific to object to and say why you disagree, the discussion belong to the thread Andrea pointed out.
I'm pointing out to you that others can too. Remember, syn08 offered his input on this.
Well, but since you claimed you are able to do it I would know how you think to elaborate the measurements to predict the sound characteristic of the devices.
Not the absolute conclusions, it's enough for me to understand how you process measurement data to predict the sound characteristic.
What makes you think you can trust your listening impressions more to the point, do you know how fragile they are?
Very fragile, but the measurements I have published are very solid.
Then lets see the remaining specs.Well, but since you claimed you are able to do it I would know how you think to elaborate the measurements to predict the sound characteristic of the devices.
Not the absolute conclusions, it's enough for me to understand how you process measurement data to predict the sound characteristic.
Would you agree that the readers should believe my listening impression more than your listening impression because I've listened in a room with excellent acoustics?
No, I don't even know what you heard and with which setup, so absolutely no.
Although I care less than zero if you trust or not my listening impressions.
Don't ask me, I closed on the speakers being terrible ask a romeo for vinyl;-)And the bottleneck is speakers and room acoustics, not DACs, amps and cables.
You would need a recording of that same performance to compare live vs replayed sound. Is that what you did? If not, you should retry it with proper recorded material.
Yes of course, but:
When you compare a recording at home to it's sound at the previously attended live venue and e.g. there was more "air", which to me translates possibly to the region beyond 10KHz, do you or don't you turn up that region a dB or 2, even if your speakers measure exactly right?
IOW: apart from possible measurement, calibration etc errors, wouldn't that be a wise thing to do?
And by doing that, haven't you corrected for the possible flaws when recording, or are they unique to that recording alone and shouldn't you?
This, just to point out the mere impossibility of just measuring as food as one can, as well as in general getting most recordings better.
By the way, these were classical recordings made by a friend of mine who used to be the lead violist in that orchestra. So I knew what processing, if any, and equipment he had used. And yes, he is almost completely deaf now and stopped recording years ago, so that's history.
You noticed that too, eh? Modus Operandi. Must figure the powers that be are not able to catch onto that pattern of abuse.
the problem is that is is insidious and disguised.
The best thing to do is bringing to the light the scam and show how it works and what it does : puts everybody one against each other in confusion, and deviate threads from first objectives : allow freedom of methodology, allow experimenting, and as possible showing a tad bit of humility/compassion.
Then lets see the remaining specs.
You can find all the specs following the link I have posted.
You don't need anything else.
But maybe you'd better say you can't do that, and I had no doubts about that.
the problem is that is is insidious and disguised.
Not well enough to deceive you though, we should all be grateful 😀
Ever since Bob Carver proved he could get one of his solid state amps to sound like a valve amp with the addition of a resistor (blind the reviewers couldn't tell them apart). This has been well known and those who ask for measurements are well aware of this. Hence the eyebrow raising on things >100dB down.Now, in real life, as you know this isn't the case.
Throw in the mix the comparison with a different thd profile and who's to say, from paper, which is the better amp.
This was just to show die hard believers measurement data of the impossibility to predict perceived sound quality by comparing specs on paper, which was, to me, the discussion about, nothing more.
the problem is that is is insidious and disguised.
The best thing to do is bringing to the light the scam and show how it works and what it does : puts everybody one against each other in confusion, and deviate threads from first objectives : allow freedom of methodology, allow experimenting, and as possible showing a tad bit of humility/compassion.
I've noticed one thing happening on many threads: the less humble the master speaker is, the more he manages to garner a crowd of fanatical followers.
And the really strange thing is that the people who behave the humblest are the very ones who could afford to be presumptuous.
And obviously the opposite.
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