To the original question "Who needs cameras in the house?":
Probably not many except if you don't trust your own family members or partner. For burglars camera's outside are enough. If one becomes so paranoid that one thinks of filming burglars while being in the house well then nothing will provide enough peace of mind I guess.
I recently was harassed/stalked the night after I tried to reach an old friend when I passed his home. He was not at home and did not respond to my call. At night at around 1:30 an anonymous caller tried to call several times so I shut down my phone. The next morning I was threatened with text messages that things would continue like this until I would identify myself. Next thing was messages via WhatsApp with the same words until I just wrote "you need help". I had linked the caller to my last made call as it was in the same country. It turned out to be the new wife of the old friend that was a bit jealous and thought a much nicer woman was involved with her man... When the old friend apparently had talked to her she apologized that she had never done this before (lie) and that I should not discuss this with her husband (ha ha 🙂) I concluded 2 things: 1 jealousy makes people do crazy ****, 2. never let your partner know the passwords of your phones, mail etc. as you will be hunted down by your own tech equipment. For such jealous people camera's inside the house seem adequate. If I would be the partner I would prefer to be outside in that case 🙂 Not to return back that is.
Probably not many except if you don't trust your own family members or partner. For burglars camera's outside are enough. If one becomes so paranoid that one thinks of filming burglars while being in the house well then nothing will provide enough peace of mind I guess.
I recently was harassed/stalked the night after I tried to reach an old friend when I passed his home. He was not at home and did not respond to my call. At night at around 1:30 an anonymous caller tried to call several times so I shut down my phone. The next morning I was threatened with text messages that things would continue like this until I would identify myself. Next thing was messages via WhatsApp with the same words until I just wrote "you need help". I had linked the caller to my last made call as it was in the same country. It turned out to be the new wife of the old friend that was a bit jealous and thought a much nicer woman was involved with her man... When the old friend apparently had talked to her she apologized that she had never done this before (lie) and that I should not discuss this with her husband (ha ha 🙂) I concluded 2 things: 1 jealousy makes people do crazy ****, 2. never let your partner know the passwords of your phones, mail etc. as you will be hunted down by your own tech equipment. For such jealous people camera's inside the house seem adequate. If I would be the partner I would prefer to be outside in that case 🙂 Not to return back that is.
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Some peoples Kids.
We have em. In front and outback. No police here. No telephone, nobody for miles & miles.
We also have a couple of shotguns.
We have em. In front and outback. No police here. No telephone, nobody for miles & miles.
We also have a couple of shotguns.
Just imagine criminals with guns here and no guns allowed for citizens. What can you do when you notice a burglar? If you harm the burglar YOU are the one going to jail! Still I am happy guns are not allowed here as they don't discriminate between criminals/innocents.
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I bought a camera and a motion detector that are Internet devices. Both work well and are in the living room. and give me alerts within seconds of activity. Reason? We had planned to be away all summer and I wanted some peace of mind. Not that a break-in here is very likely, or that either device would prevent a break in, but at least I'd get a notification on my phone wherever I am and could call the police if I wanted to. And the camera might catch a face. I'd rather that - than to come back home weeks or months after the fact and be surprised.
Alas COVID had other ideas, so we did not go away for the summer. Camera and motion detector are put away now.
Alas COVID had other ideas, so we did not go away for the summer. Camera and motion detector are put away now.
Burglar comes in the house he's going to have problems. He will have a problem outside also but the chances of getting shot are slim. Shot at, maybe.
My guess is that 90% of folks who live in the sticks own a firearm in the US.
My guess is that 90% of folks who live in the sticks own a firearm in the US.
That's the reason we bought cameras, we also travel quite a bit. You need a face and a license plate. Or a face you recognized.
There are areas on our property that are quite a ways from the main house that have no electricity so no cameras. Stuff that can be replaced doesn't matter.
There are areas on our property that are quite a ways from the main house that have no electricity so no cameras. Stuff that can be replaced doesn't matter.
how else do you find out your wife is cheating on you?
sorry i did not read full thread
Budding porn stars, well they clearly WANT cameras inside the house, and I guess, under the current world situation, they NEED them too 🙂
My front and back doors have a conspicuous sticker on them.
I consider that some burglars cannot read, so in that case the Colt would come in handy. 😀
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We had signs by the street, vandalized. Called the sheriff. Deputy agreed the sign was OK and the vandals were bad, but no way to identify them. He suggested a GameCam. (We were already thinking of that.)
GameCams are readily available in WalMart, with the batteries and memory cards, not too expensive, not too complicated.
It worked great!! No more vandalism on that sign. This year between less traffic and more politics, we had a different sign in a different place and that too had zero vandalism. Neither gamecam was "obvious": the first was way back in brush, the second just a little behind a trunk (but long-screwed for security).
Gamecam batteries last for months and months, not a real problem. IR LEDs give pictures at night. Time/date stamp.
GameCams are readily available in WalMart, with the batteries and memory cards, not too expensive, not too complicated.
It worked great!! No more vandalism on that sign. This year between less traffic and more politics, we had a different sign in a different place and that too had zero vandalism. Neither gamecam was "obvious": the first was way back in brush, the second just a little behind a trunk (but long-screwed for security).
Gamecam batteries last for months and months, not a real problem. IR LEDs give pictures at night. Time/date stamp.
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I have found that those who are dumb enough to not notice the cameras might be deterred by the picture of my gun on the front door and the caption:
"Your choice"
"Your choice"
I won't do wireless, because it's vulnerable to hacking and jamming devices.
Renters I suppose, have no choice though.
It's not that difficult for a homeowner to plan and install a wired system which IMO is very secure.
My alarm lines are in the basement, and the camera/video lines run through the crawlspace over the 2nd floor.
Did it myself and it never fails me.
And no exposed wires if planned right.
Renters I suppose, have no choice though.
It's not that difficult for a homeowner to plan and install a wired system which IMO is very secure.
My alarm lines are in the basement, and the camera/video lines run through the crawlspace over the 2nd floor.
Did it myself and it never fails me.
And no exposed wires if planned right.
Having cameras for a datacenter or office building can be a great thing. Also potentially required by your clients. A few years ago we had a decent sized office building and datacenter in one building.
We never used the cameras for any real security events other than some small employee issue not really even a security problem.
One night the cleaning crew left the loading dock door open one foot for some reason while stacking trash bags by the door. An assortment of raccoons proceeded to enter the building and have a go at the trash bags before they made it to the dumpster. Two raccoons ventured farther into the building. One made it to the client kitchen where food for clients or non-employee food was prepared. One was locked in the room by accident and we did not have a key. Another made it to a stairwell with a door.
Also there were shelves that were designed to be bread racks in the loading dock. They were easy for the raccoons to climb to get a little height.
The joy of the cameras was watching the footage the next day. The cleaners ventured to the loading dock and were surprised by a raccoon in a trash bag and a few higher on the shelves. They likely hissed and showed their displeasure at being interrupted. We also got to see the night datacenter person try to trap one raccoon with a laundry basket and otherwise chase it out a door.
Also never trust your camera software completely. We had a computer that was able to collect maybe eight camera channels and retain the data for a month. Some motion detecting compression was used to meet the retention with that many channels. So about 3:00 AM or so the night data center person notices someone on camera in the datacenter. You could peek in through windows without venturing in and they did not see anyone. It happened again at some point that week. Eventually we discover there is some bug with the data collection software for the cameras and we were seeing footage from earlier in the day. No fun for someone on night duty.
We never used the cameras for any real security events other than some small employee issue not really even a security problem.
One night the cleaning crew left the loading dock door open one foot for some reason while stacking trash bags by the door. An assortment of raccoons proceeded to enter the building and have a go at the trash bags before they made it to the dumpster. Two raccoons ventured farther into the building. One made it to the client kitchen where food for clients or non-employee food was prepared. One was locked in the room by accident and we did not have a key. Another made it to a stairwell with a door.
Also there were shelves that were designed to be bread racks in the loading dock. They were easy for the raccoons to climb to get a little height.
The joy of the cameras was watching the footage the next day. The cleaners ventured to the loading dock and were surprised by a raccoon in a trash bag and a few higher on the shelves. They likely hissed and showed their displeasure at being interrupted. We also got to see the night datacenter person try to trap one raccoon with a laundry basket and otherwise chase it out a door.
Also never trust your camera software completely. We had a computer that was able to collect maybe eight camera channels and retain the data for a month. Some motion detecting compression was used to meet the retention with that many channels. So about 3:00 AM or so the night data center person notices someone on camera in the datacenter. You could peek in through windows without venturing in and they did not see anyone. It happened again at some point that week. Eventually we discover there is some bug with the data collection software for the cameras and we were seeing footage from earlier in the day. No fun for someone on night duty.
Speaking of bugs, one day I was checking the DVR for something, and on the front yard camera, a big ole spider was almost covering the lens.
Got rid of that pest real quick.
Got rid of that pest real quick.
Sometimes you DO need cameras inside (besides the classic outside ones), as in when you are NOT at home.
No need for long vacations, even weekends out, on a normal day kids go to school, Dad works, Mom too or does shopping, whatever.
Even if not stopping burglars or intruders, it may help A LOT later, hopefully catching/identifying them but if not, knowing your weak/unsafe points, what they actually do,etc.
This is real footage, unedited except putting it in the proper time sequence and eliminatoing "nothing happens" or irrelevant sections.
Quite eye opening.
If anything, helps noticing that burglars do not look like any stereoptype, but often like any average person on the street.
FWIW these guys might have done some repair jobs at this very house, delivered a package, anything:
robo en casa - YouTube
No need for long vacations, even weekends out, on a normal day kids go to school, Dad works, Mom too or does shopping, whatever.
Even if not stopping burglars or intruders, it may help A LOT later, hopefully catching/identifying them but if not, knowing your weak/unsafe points, what they actually do,etc.
This is real footage, unedited except putting it in the proper time sequence and eliminatoing "nothing happens" or irrelevant sections.
Quite eye opening.
If anything, helps noticing that burglars do not look like any stereoptype, but often like any average person on the street.
FWIW these guys might have done some repair jobs at this very house, delivered a package, anything:
robo en casa - YouTube
This Family was robbed even having visible cameras outside *and* 8 cameras inside at strategic points:
Violenta entradera de tres delincuentes a la casa de una familia a metros del Instituto Fahy - YouTube
Violenta entradera de tres delincuentes a la casa de una familia a metros del Instituto Fahy - YouTube