As the forum search is unfortunately not working, I open a new thread, although I am sure it was right here that I raised this concern a few years ago.
My concern was the following:
How could it be that having so much software development to eliminate "clicks and pops", so many programs, (Declick, etc) no one has developed any hardware that can do the same but in real time?
I have quite a significant amount of vinyls, in varied conditions, "mint" (very few), many others well cared for but invariably when I listen to them, "clicks and pops" always appear isolated, and from the others, which we don't throw at garbage for a matter of nostalgia and affection, but due to the unfortunate state in which they are, they cannot be enjoyed and I would have to do it once and for all ... (the latter were inherited, I am one of those who care my own vinyls almost obsessively)
In these days my restlessness returned .... I listened to a vinyl direct-cut, limited edition album, Sheffield Records. A single acoustic guitar, it is imperative that there is no noise unrelated to the music. And there they were again....😡
So I searched the net, and found that (finally!) A product had been developed with rave reviews, apparently two years ago about.
I had already had experience with analog equipment (SAE5000, DBX, etc) and there was always a "veil" in the reproduction when executing the "cleaning in real time" process, here it seems that the bits do the task much better ( unsurprisingly) and reviewers are raving about it. You can even reverse listening to know how much noise you are eliminating!
As the Spanish say, the only "pega" (disadvantage, against) is the price ........ 1000 U $ S in the country of origin ...
Living in the "*** of the world", buying this marvel can mean an investment equivalent to a third of a 0 km car!
So I ask: Could you have expectations that costs will go down? Is it a product protected by patents that do not allow competitors?
Why so high the price?😱
SweetVinyl
Sweet Vinyl’s SugarCube SC-1 Real Time Pop and Click Remover—Any Good? | Analog Planet.
My concern was the following:
How could it be that having so much software development to eliminate "clicks and pops", so many programs, (Declick, etc) no one has developed any hardware that can do the same but in real time?
I have quite a significant amount of vinyls, in varied conditions, "mint" (very few), many others well cared for but invariably when I listen to them, "clicks and pops" always appear isolated, and from the others, which we don't throw at garbage for a matter of nostalgia and affection, but due to the unfortunate state in which they are, they cannot be enjoyed and I would have to do it once and for all ... (the latter were inherited, I am one of those who care my own vinyls almost obsessively)
In these days my restlessness returned .... I listened to a vinyl direct-cut, limited edition album, Sheffield Records. A single acoustic guitar, it is imperative that there is no noise unrelated to the music. And there they were again....😡
So I searched the net, and found that (finally!) A product had been developed with rave reviews, apparently two years ago about.
I had already had experience with analog equipment (SAE5000, DBX, etc) and there was always a "veil" in the reproduction when executing the "cleaning in real time" process, here it seems that the bits do the task much better ( unsurprisingly) and reviewers are raving about it. You can even reverse listening to know how much noise you are eliminating!
As the Spanish say, the only "pega" (disadvantage, against) is the price ........ 1000 U $ S in the country of origin ...
Living in the "*** of the world", buying this marvel can mean an investment equivalent to a third of a 0 km car!
So I ask: Could you have expectations that costs will go down? Is it a product protected by patents that do not allow competitors?
Why so high the price?😱
SweetVinyl
Sweet Vinyl’s SugarCube SC-1 Real Time Pop and Click Remover—Any Good? | Analog Planet.
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They charge that because they can and people will buy it at this price. In theory a raspberry Pi with the right plugin on it will do the denoising, but no one has stepped up to do this (although it has been discussed on here before).
If I were better at coding I would try this, but I'm personally not that bothered about vinyl noise and I don't do restoration of shellac.
If I were better at coding I would try this, but I'm personally not that bothered about vinyl noise and I don't do restoration of shellac.
This runs as a plugin and is low latency, real time.
RX 8 De-click
Theres probably others, maybe even free.
RX 8 De-click
Theres probably others, maybe even free.
But seriously, if your digitizing your albums to remove noise why not go digital and remove just the noise?
I have hundreds of vinyls (LP 33 1/3 rpm and singles 45 and 33, plus complete collections, for example the 9 Beethoven symphonies conducted by Herbert Von Karayan, etc, etc.
I also have a lot of 78 RPM pasta records ...
I just want to enjoy them without unforeseen disturbances ....
I don't want to spend the rest of my life digitizing, it is a task for specialists, I have tried and learning is not easy,
so I would like a "real time" system.
The link with the review may clarify the point on how it works.
I will go to Vinyl Engine to see if there is something similar but cheaper.
Thanks for your opinions.
I also have a lot of 78 RPM pasta records ...
I just want to enjoy them without unforeseen disturbances ....
I don't want to spend the rest of my life digitizing, it is a task for specialists, I have tried and learning is not easy,
so I would like a "real time" system.
The link with the review may clarify the point on how it works.
I will go to Vinyl Engine to see if there is something similar but cheaper.
Thanks for your opinions.
😀
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If nobody dared it is because it is very complicated, there is a lot of R&D in the correct algorithms, but 1000 U $ S seems too much for the final product.
Although, have you read that it even has a permanent internet connection to update the software automatically?
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Back on the 70's there were two devices. Cheap one was the Phase Linear auto-correlator. Basically a 5 gate filter that sort of tracked the high end. The other was a Burlwin box. Much more complex and expensive. Nether was very musically satisfactory. Playing wet was another technique. That helped with some single side Bakelite records.
When ripping some vinyl I could not replace by a CD I used a suite of tools. First looking a the the bandwidth and limiting to that. Ticks and pops I sometimes actually edited individually by hand. Others by filters in GrooveMechanic or GoldLine but applying very lightly. I imagine thee are better tools now.
When ripping some vinyl I could not replace by a CD I used a suite of tools. First looking a the the bandwidth and limiting to that. Ticks and pops I sometimes actually edited individually by hand. Others by filters in GrooveMechanic or GoldLine but applying very lightly. I imagine thee are better tools now.
So not many. Hardly seems worth the investment?
There is a book that is a free download written by one of the brains behind CEDAR. So provided you just want to remove noise or big clicks it's not scary R&D to do it. But given the size of market for such an appliance you have to amortise that over few units. Sugarcube was a kickstarter campaign which covered a lot of the costs.
$1k is about 4x what I would pay, but it's probably the right price. I note on their website nothing under $2k at the moment.
You say :
So not many. Hardly seems worth the investment ?
Maybe I should have said hundreds of thousands ? 😀
I imagine that in your country you have access to this product with an import surcharge of ......? how much ?
Here I have to calculate twice the cost or more. We're in trouble with the greenback, I have to calculate ..... yes, it's worth it, but my pocket is not that deep ...😡
So not many. Hardly seems worth the investment ?
Maybe I should have said hundreds of thousands ? 😀
I imagine that in your country you have access to this product with an import surcharge of ......? how much ?
Here I have to calculate twice the cost or more. We're in trouble with the greenback, I have to calculate ..... yes, it's worth it, but my pocket is not that deep ...😡
You mention an AD/DA stage and you have turned off 99% of vinyl lovers. So you are talking about a niche market here and channelD serves the Mac owners well so an even smaller niche.
I do not share your opinion. I am a lover of vinyl, CDA, cassettes, OR, streaming,
of any music playing medium.
But without noise to disturb good hearing.
If everyone thought like you, Dolby Laboratories would not have been created.
of any music playing medium.
But without noise to disturb good hearing.
If everyone thought like you, Dolby Laboratories would not have been created.
You haven't answered my question, how much more (percentage) should you pay to import something from the USA to the UK?
What was your point ? Mine is very clear, I do not like annoying noises or anything like it ....
yeah running vinyl through A/D, then D/A and clobbering it with a denoising/pop algorithm defeats any sort of percieved quality difference
If you really really can't stand the noise, maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities when it comes to your hi-fi hobby, or do something esoteric like run a timecode disk for the digital versions of the songs (which will still sound miles better)
If you really really can't stand the noise, maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities when it comes to your hi-fi hobby, or do something esoteric like run a timecode disk for the digital versions of the songs (which will still sound miles better)
That there will be a very small market for equipment like this, because most people who prefer vinyl over digital recordings wouldn't want to have analogue to digital and digital to analogue converters in the signal path.