The most recent discussion on that subject starts around: https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/354754-cd-playback-dac-9.html#post6217208 (post #89 or so).
The original thread PMA started (it was one of his 'listening tests') can probably be found too if anyone wants to dredge through it.
Howie, as much as I respect your experience and judgement almost all of the time, you are wrong about this. It may be rare, but I know for a fact some professional audio designers design primarily by listening, and only secondarily by measuring. You may not know anyone like that close up and personal, but that only means you haven't had the eye-opening experience yet.
EDIT: Besides those I know personally there is another guy who may now semi-qualify, he at least looks to be moving closer to that direction. If you would like to listen to his podcast on the subject: Podcast: Beware the measurements! | Darko.Audio
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And once again you forget to point out that you scored the same opamp at two different levels in the table. Please stop using this test as some sort of proof of your golden ear (sub 10k) club membership.
They would be 'designers' and not 'Engineers'. Even John has 'Engineer' on his hifi show passes to sort him from the woo and foo shysters in the audio business.
What was it John Atkins wrote in Stereophile?
Objectivist dream meets subjectivist reality although some of us would prefer to write
Objectivist reality vs Subjectivist dream
I agree with Hans, this will go nowhere
Objectivist dream meets subjectivist reality although some of us would prefer to write
Objectivist reality vs Subjectivist dream
I agree with Hans, this will go nowhere
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C'mon Mk4 - what your live music listening habits? Acoustical, natural instrument ensembles?
Because if you don't do this regularly, your listening impressions of audio gear is as valid as you trying to describe the taste of a Big Mac.
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Because if you don't do this regularly, your listening impressions of audio gear is as valid as you trying to describe the taste of a Big Mac.
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Indeed. We are spinning around a vortex of futility.
Galu will step in shortly to help us understand .. .
Galu will step in shortly to help us understand .. .
My living room is full of various musical instruments that we enjoy playing. However, despite knowing how all those things sound, I think you are once again imagining things that are not entirely true. Knowing what gritty distortion sounds like and trying to eliminate it has nothing to do with knowing how real instruments sound, none of them make such awful non-musical artifacts even if they are electric instruments. I wouldn't have any of that kind of junk here, and by that I am thinking of some of the early digital guitar effects boxes that sounded like the awful ADCs, DACs, and clocks they had inside.
I just felt the gentle breeze of what must have been Hawkings radiation gently shifting position of two hair in my neck as the black sphere dissolved in nothingness, leaving only harmonious space where there was once singularity.
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Well, if you are struggling with that level of distorsion I can only pity you. Once you have got away with these severe faults, you can start producing something that can convey the sense and intensity of an orchestra from centre 7th row. If you remember how that sounds...
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Howie,
That’s all well, good and understood but there are things I’ve come across things that affected the sound of my system and after intense testing/investigation of these anomaly’s the conclusion was the changes were not supposed to make a difference. These things were repeatable and quite noticeable once you knew what to focus on.
I’ve brought the details to attention here in the past and have been met with the same response every subjective observation is met so I’ll just paint with broad strokes.
I don’t have the proper testing equipment (or the training to use it if I did) to corroborate my observations with but I can say I’ve gone to exhausting lengths testing to be sure ‘delusion’ wasn’t the answer to “what is it”.
George, are more aluminum or copper mined in Greece? I remember Greek orange juice in tin cans it was tasty, but not esoteric. 😉 https://forum.ngs.ru/preview/forum/...0a1f3d85a97fb26efb348f_152420664225_800px.jpg
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