If it's purely an engineering challenge why bother designing yet another DAC?

That is only true if you are suggesting that you or another have gained from our ridiculous interaction today?

Its only your claim that its ridiculous. If that's your perception then why persist in it? As for my experience, its been a barrel of fun seeing you ducking, diving, weaving, obfuscating and deflecting. So much so that I'm still up and running way past my bedtime 😀
 
Its only your claim that its ridiculous. If that's your perception then why persist in it? As for my experience, its been a barrel of fun seeing you ducking, diving, weaving, obfuscating and deflecting. So much so that I'm still up and running way past my bedtime 😀

I have persisted because I don't like the way you attempt to derail a conversation for no other reason than your fun. It adds nothing useful and I would suggest that it discourages many from participating. Furthermore, I have not ducked, dived, weaved, obfuscated or deflected. I have got used to people running away when their argument falls apart, however.
 
Bob, have I misunderstood your intent regards posting links? Translation: What's going on dude, are you just ******* me about? 😀

No, I really came across a recent paper on sub audible content in music/audio perception........can’t find it now, it was in a deep internet dive.....I should have saved it.

Its only your claim that its ridiculous. If that's your perception then why persist in it? As for my experience, its been a barrel of fun seeing you ducking, diving, weaving, obfuscating and deflecting. So much so that I'm still up and running way past my bedtime 😀
Glad I’m not the only one......was starting to question my reality for a minute! 😛
 
Okey dokey, so, Google is not your friend either, that's what it/they want you to think.......😉

I gotta go plant some long leaf pine seedlings (replacing what got tore up in the hurricane) I’ll try to Re find it after that. It was quite interesting but the reason I didn’t save it because it was a little on the left side of left. 😉

It was fun for awhile, now it’s more like having to finish watching that really bad movie.
 
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That is only true if you are suggesting that you or another have gained from our ridiculous interaction today?

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You seem like a rational and well educated human being, which are the necessary premises for avoiding this kind of interaction, you should know better.

Now you are cooked, well done. You lost this debate, which is exactly what you deserve for daring to engage these guys. They successfully brought you down and beat you with experience. For no other reason that they are exercising their discourse for many years, and they've seen it all, while you are obviously only a knowledgeable enthusiastic amateur, so essentially nothing more than fresh meat for them, they have guys like you for breakfast.

And you haven't met Jakob yet, the father of it all.
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To address the issue of there being multiple Bybee's I need to point out that I chose to look at one that has essentially the same claims but no direct connection. I assume there are customers who don't want to mod their gear at all but want the "goodness".

The description

Like the original model, this QSE is activated by surrounding electromagnetic energy, but has also been designed and engineered to be more effective by creating an extended electric and magnetic field. Once activated, the extended electric and magnetic fields affects the polarity of all electrons and protons in close proximity; affecting their oscillation by making them more aligned with each other. This reaction creates an affect that makes the transfer or sharing of electrons between atoms more streamlined and efficient. The results are a stunningly enhanced purity and energy of the video or audio signal. Of note, the active elements inside the QSE are specially formed crystals that are resistant to damage and will never lose their effectiveness.

Aside from the absurd nonsense, the battery is not replaceable and has a shelf life so make up your own mind about what "will never lose their effectiveness" means.

Audio Systems

In audio systems the Bybee Signal Enhancers are effective under power cords, interconnects and speaker cables as well as under or on top of audio components. Bass frequencies are faster and more impactful. High frequencies become more extended, open and natural without edginess. The critical midrange sounds more musical, more liquid and less "electronic". The overall presentation of imaging and soundstaging becomes both more precise and more enveloping - the listening environment delivers a much more persuasive "you are there" experience.

Clearly the claims for audio improvement are there, hubris and all.

Reviews. There are more.

"I decided to add these Enhancers one at a time to my system which was already tweaked out with an arsenal of devices like the Stein Harmonizers, Novum Resonators, IPC Energizers, Shakti Stones and Hallographs, Bybee Speaker Bullets and more. I chose to begin my experiment with 5 Enhancers which I felt was a reasonable number and would show their capabilities.
I put my first Bybee Enhancer under my PS Audio DSD DAC. The Enhancer created a noticeable improvement to the sound that went way beyond its $119 asking price. I put the second one under my Wells Audio Innamorata stereo amplifier. And again, I heard an increase in musicality and image clarity with less grain and more natural harmonics."

We are expected to take this stuff on face value on equal footing with any other input.


Stein Harmonizer -

The Absolute Sound's Jonathan Valin reviews the Harmonizer system: " I wish I could tell you why what happened happened, but I can’t. All I can tell you is that when these battery-powered cubes filled with a secret blend of crystals (in different mixes for box “a” and box “b”) are placed near the corners of the walls behind your speakers and angled in at about 45 degrees, with the little dials (marked “Intensity”) on their posteriors set to ten or ten-thirty, you get an effect akin to moving those walls back three or four feet.

So what do I hear with the Harmonizers? With a setup comprised of two H2A and two H2B Harmonizers (all running on batteries and mounted on stands at the suggested positions within the room) and the appropriate set of Magic Stones and four Blue Diamonds (also placed at the suggested locations within the room—approximately $5k for complete setup as used here)… simply put, not more thereness, but a startling sense of hereness. One is not so much transported to where the music was (a thereness like you are there), but the music is placed here out into the room… it is now here with you. The room, for me at least and the many who have visited and heard this, is simply removed from the equation." Dave Clark, Positive Feedback Online

IPC Energizers -

In view of this problem, IPC created the ACOUSTIC ENERGIZER that can improve the micro-phase alignment in the atmosphere. The PVA Field (Proton Vibration Alignment Field) generated by the ACOUSTIC ENERGIZER can align the motions of atmospheric content – mainly air molecules – making the airborne sound transmission more effective and complete.

Once the micro-phase alignment is achieved, sound transmission loss in the air will be minimized, enabling a clear sound projection over distance. This provides excellent acoustic conditions to render stronger resonance, richer harmonics and fuller nuances. The result will be an unparalleled audio experience like never before..
 
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We are expected to take this stuff on face value on equal footing with any other input.

Expected by whom, JC? If so, I don't think he expects you to believe it. He is just telling you some of what Jack has told him, while at the same time hoping he wasn't lied to. Separate from that, JC has described what audible effects he thinks the devices can have. Not the same at all as what the advertising says.
 
You lost this debate, which is exactly what you deserve for daring to engage these guys.

How do you figure I 'lost'. I showed that those trying to pick unsubstantiated holes in my contributions to date showed only their own errors. And then run away. Everything I have stated in this thread stands unchallenged as yet. I had hoped for better!

...while you are obviously only a knowledgeable enthusiastic amateur, so essentially nothing more than fresh meat for them, they have guys like you for breakfast.

No, I am well-recognised in my profession and there is nothing that bothers me in any of these conversations. The attempt to bully people is alarming, however, but such is the nature of the internet and the voice it gives people.

And you haven't met Jakob yet, the father of it all.

I have had some interaction with Jakob, and we agree on a lot of matters. The difference with Jakob is that he actually has some foundation to back up his contributions. It is a pity he has not wanted to contribute more.
 
Expected by whom, JC? If so, I don't think he expects you to believe it. He is just telling you some of what Jack has told him, while at the same time hoping he wasn't lied to. Separate from that, JC has described what audible effects he thinks the devices can have. Not the same at all as what the advertising says.
That's odd.
Unfortunately, on another subject: I like Jack Bybee, and many of the gadgets that he as made for the last 25 years that I have known him, work for my audio system, but they are damn difficult to measure in any way, objectively, and I have had to rely on both my and other colleagues' ears to hear if they really work. I have tested Jack's veracity over the decades (yes, I sometimes had some doubts) but he has always come through, in that his stuff works (at least for the stuff I have tried), he has advanced physics knowledge, and that he went to UC Berkeley in the 1950's.
The rest, like whether he worked directly with Richard Feynman at Cal Tech in the '60's as a consultant to him on modern superconductivity, I can't directly prove, but it makes sense, once you know him. For the record, I hate his website and its 'easy' explanations of how his stuff works, and I do think that he overestimates the general change that his devices make, but I use them in my best system, generally, sometimes spilling over to my less optimum playback, that I normally use daily for Cable TV and sound loops. That's about all I can say at this time.