EH, Everything I post is my opinion, fairly obvious is it not?
If I call bs on something it just means I’m gonna need some more convincing before changing my viewpoint......not that the possibility doesn’t exist.
We live in a world of many possibilities. 🙂
Matt, Digital in analog out....are you talking just purist form?
If I call bs on something it just means I’m gonna need some more convincing before changing my viewpoint......not that the possibility doesn’t exist.
We live in a world of many possibilities. 🙂
Matt, Digital in analog out....are you talking just purist form?
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I thought I read "no one listens to a DAC" somewhere in this thread, I assume that meant without an amplifier of some sort following it.
I thought "I'm listening to a DAC right now" - the Zoudio amp which I assume is digital all the way to the pulse-width of the class D power amp it uses.
From my limited experience, DACs sound different and there's some I dont like the sound of. I'm lucky the Zoudio sounds good to me; I bought it un-auditioned. Other DACs I've purchased that way have disappointed.
I've no idea precisely why. To me, it staggers the imagination that this can possibly be, but it is. Hence, (I assume) the energy and virility shown in this thread!
I thought "I'm listening to a DAC right now" - the Zoudio amp which I assume is digital all the way to the pulse-width of the class D power amp it uses.
From my limited experience, DACs sound different and there's some I dont like the sound of. I'm lucky the Zoudio sounds good to me; I bought it un-auditioned. Other DACs I've purchased that way have disappointed.
I've no idea precisely why. To me, it staggers the imagination that this can possibly be, but it is. Hence, (I assume) the energy and virility shown in this thread!
you do stay confused don't you! 😉
"that's not a dac though" ??? what's not a dac about what I proposed?
by purist I meant no dsp
Are you implying that DBT doesn't correlate listening and measurement?
There have been explanations on that posted many times on this forum.
if it's purely an engineering challenge why bother designing another dac ?
ok well what am I missing?
I suppose the engineering challenge would be to come up with a moderately priced dac that appealed even to the finicky.
the others would fall in rank and file as long as it's reasonably priced.
understanding what the minority considers better would be the first step, and I think the whole underlying tone of the conversation is about that.....i hope anyway.
ok well what am I missing?
I suppose the engineering challenge would be to come up with a moderately priced dac that appealed even to the finicky.
the others would fall in rank and file as long as it's reasonably priced.
understanding what the minority considers better would be the first step, and I think the whole underlying tone of the conversation is about that.....i hope anyway.
I would think yes. These day sit is hard to spearate DSP from DAC. I know my DAC has a DSP that upsamples but insurs no lost bits (ie no blenderizing — to use a highly technical term — of the data). The DAC cannot be separated from the DSP.
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might as well go full Monty with them......the dsp technology is definitely getting better.
a bit higher end form of the SHD would be nice.
a bit higher end form of the SHD would be nice.
I'll let the DAC experts argue that one, if they can be bothered with semantic games, but I would think the difference is obvious.
Sorry, I can not help you if you do not understand simple sentences in plain English.
I am not sure about the question: Why do engineers want to design yet a better dac? Is that the question? If so, it should be easy for other engineers to understand, that is the way with 'improving' all things, we often start with designing the 'best' that we can and then let the new 'improvements' trickle down to the mass produced merchandise. Everything starts as an expensive prototype. Then a few are made at a relatively high price for the 'early adapters' and then people are assigned to make the design easier and cheaper to make, and in the long run you get your under $100 dac!
Or maybe I misunderstood the question?
Or maybe I misunderstood the question?
I think the missing link for en masse dac satisfaction is in full user controlled dsp and I can't think of a better place for it to be than right in the dac......now whether it's beneficial to include full preamp capability is beyond my pay grade but it would only make sense ?
You are dodging my question. DBT does correlate what's audible and measurable. You just don't like the results so you try to cast it aside.
