🙂 😎 Just leaves the other things. But another test with just sample rate differed would tell something else.
THx-RNMarsh
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definitely, yes.
Didnt take an ultra hi-rez system to tell A was out to lunch distorted sounding.
Whats equally interesting is that some clearly can tell A is the worst of the 3 and some heard no difference between any of them.
This just goes to further indicate not all peoples perceptions are equal. There is wide variation ... So when Scott and others say they hear no difference thus there is no difference..... well, those who heard the character in the sound difference and described the same --- ??
This is similar to Mark and my listening to the added shielding and goop to a DAC and we heard it and each described the same character.
If nothing else, i am happy to know my old ears still have some discrimination ability left in them. But a better system would make the differences even more noticeable to me. maybe then a few others could also then hear differences. Maybe time to upgrade the system?
-Richard
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😀😀😀
"A" is the original! (So much for the Mr.192+)
Gentlemen, I apologise for not taking part in survey. Hans posted the results before I had the opportunity to have a serious listen.
At first listen they all sounded similar to me. I went A->B->C, then again B, then C, then B.
B and C sounded the same to me. Then I went back to A and for a brief moment I thought it sounded slightly different from B and C. That's it. I could not detect any differences thereafter.
Since Hans already gave away some information about what's in the files, my score would have been partially based on logical conclusion and it would have been:
A = 1
B and C = tied 2 (or flip the coin)
Equipment used: Sonic Solutions Soundblade DAW -> M-Audio Firewire interface to provide digital out -> custom 2496 DAC (multibit) -> Stax SRM-T1/ Lambda Pro Signature.
Richard - "This just goes to further indicate not all peoples perceptions are equal. There is wide variation ..."
Years ago, attending a home audio listen with several others from an audio forum such as this, the host did something which caused all but me to jump out of their seats in response. I was like "what just happened?".
I've since thought any deficiency in my hearing capability must be a matter of training. Once shown what to listen for, you'll be able to hear such anomalies / improvements going forward. I 'spose the same is true with the rest of human senses.
Years ago, attending a home audio listen with several others from an audio forum such as this, the host did something which caused all but me to jump out of their seats in response. I was like "what just happened?".
I've since thought any deficiency in my hearing capability must be a matter of training. Once shown what to listen for, you'll be able to hear such anomalies / improvements going forward. I 'spose the same is true with the rest of human senses.
I know its the original but like others here, something is not right about it and should not assume it is what it is labeled. Can it be verified?
Or my computers' dac just didnt like handling it and trashed it somehow.
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THx-RNMarsh
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Could very well be that A is not flawless, but derivates B and C will then have the same flaws. Simple as that.
Hans
I heard it bad same as other here did. it stood out.
I am sure there is an explanation... but I dont know what it is.
Either the file was not what it is supposed to be or my computer didnt like it for some reason.
So, with that and others hearing no changes at all and some hearing changes.... the human variation (and maybe equipment) leaves one with the idea that it is hard to say what others are going to hear because of what you (other) hear with your particular gear.
Because 24/96 is a standard of sorts, I would just double the sampling to be sure. Make it 24/192 and be sure no one on earth with what ever gear is going to notice a diiference.
I'll do it again on another system and see what it sounds like.
THx-RNMarsh
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"A" is the original.
"B" and "C" were derived from "A".
What if your and others ears prefer the ringing and artifacts added by the brick wall filter?
Yes. That's what I did after the listen.
Hans, your "obfuscation" methods, despite your efforts, can be detected. I even deciphered what kind of "angel dust" you've added to "B" and "C". 😉
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At least you are prepared to accept the possibility Bob. 🙂 You are free to move on to audio nirvana whilst Richard is stuck in denial
No. I am pretty sensitive to distortions. Live with very low distortion speakers and system. Very good DAC etc. Just now computer is something I know not what. It was a SOTA computer by ASUS a few years ago, 2T SS mem and latest and greatest processor etc etc. But the audio in it ?? Eh... who knows.
I'll try other system later and see if 'A' is OK there.
But if it is OK... maybe my dac computer system is not unlike many others out tthere. Thats a scary thought.
THx-RNMarsh
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Just to show that the original stereo file, in my case used as the master file, and the 20Khz brick wall filtered stereo version are exactly the same below 20Khz including eventual muddiness, I have stretched the time axis.
The third stereo set in the image below is the difference between the two above, level magnified by a factor 25.
As you can see, the difference between the master and the filtered one is just HF above 20Khz. Below 20Khz the original and the BW filtered one are identical.
Hans
The third stereo set in the image below is the difference between the two above, level magnified by a factor 25.
As you can see, the difference between the master and the filtered one is just HF above 20Khz. Below 20Khz the original and the BW filtered one are identical.
Hans
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I am fine with 24/96. 88 isnt needed as it isnt a standard. But would prefer 24/192 when available.
Only denial i might be in is 16/44 sounds the best. But then some dont hear any difference with any of them.
If they say I dont hear a difference, then are they in denial? No. they just dont hear a difference.
There are lots of people here who dont hear differences and thus the others are snake oil sales men for hearing differences.
I hope this test allows a bit more leeway in what variations people hear about this and other things audio.
THx-RNMarsh
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Anyone well versed with analysis tools will be able to find things. At least most of the people who used to cheat on these have moved on.
The question is Good Enough for whom? Certainly for the vast majority of the music consuming public CD is good enough, and even 128k MP3 (or the equivalent streaming) is good enough for most of them.
Regarding the hi-res market, I have a suspicion that those who can truly tell the difference (and it's enough to matter to them) is smaller than the total market, and there are some who only think they can tell the difference.