I was talking about the fluid and speedy character of that instrument's sound. Piano in comparison has an established base of faithfull recordings.
Now going back to our side (playback), some instruments are destined to face appreciable difficulties to sound realistic at home. If cello has rich lows (it does) what about double bass (can go four octaves lower) played through a 6 or 8 inch woofer? And if you meet a tuba or a contrabassoon in real, you know you are going to need more than two 15 inch units in a biiig box to even come close (but again not quite).
George
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Bob, there are many unknowns about how published experiments were run. IMHO, its possible to make the outcome end up however one wants: indistinguishable or easily distinguishable. Its all in the (mostly unstated) details. Bottom line: don't worry about it.
That’s about what I’m getting out of it......everyone seems to tip the scales to their own views whether purposefully or not would be the question.
But like you say not much to worry about......I suppose my uncle got upset when those newfangled cd’s took over from his beloved cassettes! 😀
But like you say not much to worry about......I suppose my uncle got upset when those newfangled cd’s took over from his beloved cassettes! 😀
I don’t figure there is a whole lot to be gained with a dramatic increase in magnitude response. Consider that even the best DACs can achieve something like 21 bits. Still much finer gradations.
It is the sample rate that is important.
I’d rather have 16/192 than 24/44.1(equivalance in quality of recording)
dave
Yes it would, but it seems to me that our time response might be more important than the magnitude response. Particularily as we age.
dave
dave
Why are you repeating this over and again, I haven’t confirmed anything at all because it is common knowledge and clearly visible in all sims that I made, starting a few months ago.
If a signal (LF+HF) has been modified in (LF+HF-HF+Gibbs) after filtering, it will have a different envelope because of that, period.
Wasn’t it me who mentioned a few postings before that no machine or software can confirm whether an envelope change is audible ?
And that’s how this excercise can be summarized IMO, all that can be simmed has been simmed and the next step can only be be to do listening test
Hans
P.S. You mentioned that my exponential sim had a slope that was too slow.
In fact this slope has no impact at all because the sudden start of the sine wave caused the shape of the spectrum in a dominant way, that’s why I made the symmetric version.
There was even a hint of frustrating this by purpose.
Had you taken the trouble to do any simming yourself it would have been obvious.
But that’s only one of many cases where you can be very ........
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I must note my sample size is small but indications were that a lot of classical CDs are mastered so they play OK on a cheap system where the woofers would escape on full bass and the SACD 5.1 releases expected there to be a sub to handle that. Luckily if you get a hybrid SACD then the redbook layer is generally just a downsample of the 2ch SACD master so full frequency response is maintained. I need to do more analysis one day.
What I don't know is what the effective LF limit of tape used to be. I have at least one record (Crystal Clear Direct to disk John will be pleased to hear) that claims 16Hz. I've not gone hunting to prove if that is true.
Think of it as a x and a y-axis. And you want to point somewhere like (3,2)... now if you would like to increase the precision in your pointing, why would you only increase the resolution on the y-axis?
But bits is just "noise"... not precision... isn't it? 😉
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We have the sing along version. Sounds amazing as the batteries die and it goes out of tune 😀
I was thinking it was time to mention that again, but I am incurable soundfield junkie.
Don't forget Chandos, Dutton, LSO in UK. Channel classics of course. I love the TACET releases as they say 'Inspiring tube sound' on the cover 🙂
You can still buy DVD-A. And quite a few concert recording and operas are available on blu-ray. Personally not for me. Huge soundfield and tiny screen doesn't do it for me.
I don't have a dedicated SACD player as the 'audio' ones don't tend to do 5.1 so I didn't see the point. One day when I have a bigger room I'll get a multichannel setup sorted. It does sadden me that, for all this chasing of stuff down in the weeds the basic limitation of 2 channel audio is ignored.
"Envelope modulation" is that like when economists talk about the rate of decrease in inflation going up? 😕😉
Only once had the pleasure of a contrabasson live. There was a couple of seconds of 'wtf is that' then I scanned the orchestra and sure enough there it was.
Sort of, either you can neglect it as clueless or you see it as some important occurance.
Hans
To be clear, yawn was about the state of audio research in high res. If there's an effect as applied, it's obviously very small.
Bill, a good series of videos from Philharmonia Orchestra (approved for young audiences 😎 )
YouTube
George
We had a car cassette player in the lab and I put a resistor in series with the 12V so the louder it got the slower it went, an amazing effect. You can only imagine it with some of my favorites.
In a recent Copland _Rodeo_, a very showy piece with solos for everybody, the loudest, by a good margin, instrument heard from the cheap sets was wooden blocks. And he didn't look like he was even trying hard. Surprised me!
All good fortune,
Chris