Yes - thanks George. I enjoyed the piece - not one I knew. On 'phones the dynamics were excellent...
I suspect that, should these cables ever become a product we on DIYaudio are unlikely to be the target market. I actually get riled by the continuous burson opamp 'reviews' thanks to their seeding the forum with free samples than a prototype cable.
On here Jakob is a total Gentleman and I have always enjoyed interacting with him. What he does outside the forum is not of my concern. He has not tried to sell me anything and handles my dumber questions with patience and grace.
I never said anything about on topic. I said productive...We've seen many off topic subjects on this very thread over the months / years. At this point, it's simpler to ask how many posts are about JC's Blowtorch preamplifier. Perhaps off topic post is going with the flow.
Why? At least in UK 'mediocre' is a very derogatory word. It may have a toned down meaning stateside but I always get the feeling Mark is using it for something thats 105dB down rather than 110dB down so his mediocre would be my transparent.
@George: sorrry not managed to listen to that clip yet. I'll pull my Mahler 8 off the server and see if it compares well. Always happy to see recordings that stretch the technology a bit and try to be realistic to dynamic contrasts.
(casual listening conditions) the first 5 seconds seems to be lead-in silence
In a live performance, I wouldn’t have missed that fagotto ppp and I wouldn’t have felt tensioned at choir’s fff. Not so with home listening.
George
You are welcome.
From Mahler’s 8th.
On phones it’s manageable. What about on loudspeakers?
George
Apologize, I thought that was a comment about the way Mark4 answered. My mistake.
Interesting, why do you think that is, the size of the space, microphones responding differently to ears?
It's enlightening for me to hear the experiences of people who are familiar with live orchestral performances, having not heard many myself. Perhaps for me that's not a bad thing, I don't know how limited the reproductions really are 🙂
most of us don't have rooms that can handle the SPL of a full modern orchestra at full chat. Or neighbours! You don't understand the term 'effortless dynamics' until hear live unamplified music on this scale. My first epihany of this was aged 11 or so hearing Zadok the priest. When the choir came in (about 100 singers) I was astounded. Never found a recording that even comes within 20dB of the live experience.
George,
Beautiful Mahler, but almost impossible to reproduce this at home.
In a concerthall this music comes to you as waves in a sea of sound, but becomes never too loud.
Hans
There is a simple solution to that, read another forum. Unless you like to inflict unpleasantness to yourself.
Those who are about 10 years younger than you say that 80's was the summit. Those who are about 20 years younger that you say that 90's was the summit. As they say, to each own.
I have number of suspicions too. It's too many to list at the moment. Maybe later.
I haven't seen him trying to sell any electronic components however, there is something he's been trying to spread.
That too falls in a category of being simpler to ask how many productive posts are made instead.
Likewise, many of us think that you are trying to sell double blind test systems and that your hatred for audio professionals is just that of competition.
The highlight of this thread, just headed over to my streaming provider to look up Mahler.. listening through headphones, nice.
I guess the size and the acoustics of the performing space plus the (enormous) acoustic power of orchestra, choir, singers .
For home playback, give me the allowance to listen at high SPLs, a largish room and the equipment to play undistorted at 120dBSPL peak (and 100dBSPL for a few seconds) and I will be satisfied with a good -high dynamics- recording. That is my lo-fi dream for audio realism. If the music is inspiring I wouldn’t need much more. But as Bill and Hans wrote, it’s still far away from the real thing. Thus:
“Knowledge is a deadly friend” (“ If no one sets the rules”) as per above 🙂
George
“ Those who are about 10 years younger than you say that 80's was the summit. Those who are about 20 years younger that you say that 90's was the summit. As they say, to each own.”
This is the kind of cheap shot inter-generational good old boy folklore bs you hear from time to time. I would think you were a bit better than this.
Maybe where you’re from. My children and their musician friends regularly remark on the quality of musicianship and artistry of 70’s pop/rock.
As for the classics, 1960 - 1980 we are spoilt for choice. This was they heyday of DG and Decca and conductors like Abaddo, Maazel (who was in his 30’s and 40’s), von Karajan, Previn et al.
This is the kind of cheap shot inter-generational good old boy folklore bs you hear from time to time. I would think you were a bit better than this.
Maybe where you’re from. My children and their musician friends regularly remark on the quality of musicianship and artistry of 70’s pop/rock.
As for the classics, 1960 - 1980 we are spoilt for choice. This was they heyday of DG and Decca and conductors like Abaddo, Maazel (who was in his 30’s and 40’s), von Karajan, Previn et al.
WTF is an "audio professional" and how would one be recognized as such?
-Is a musician an "audio professional"?
-Is a acoustics PhD an "audio prefessional"?
-Is a high end audio store salesman an "audio professional"?
-Is an EE designing audio electronics an "audio professional"?
-Is a DAC chip designer an "audio professional"?
-Is, in general, any individual making money out of audio an "audio professional"?
-Are there good and bad "audio professionals" and how do we recognize them accordingly?
-Is a musician an "audio professional"?
-Is a acoustics PhD an "audio prefessional"?
-Is a high end audio store salesman an "audio professional"?
-Is an EE designing audio electronics an "audio professional"?
-Is a DAC chip designer an "audio professional"?
-Is, in general, any individual making money out of audio an "audio professional"?
-Are there good and bad "audio professionals" and how do we recognize them accordingly?
Mine don't, and I have three of them, all in the late 20's early 30's. They listen politely to the 60-70-80-90-00 stuff, they say nicely something like "wow, those were good times", then they are going back to their stuff (which, if nothing else, bores me to tears). I still have to find one piece of that music on their iPhones. Fortunately, we still have some common ground, but that's as far as it gets from the classic Beatles-Rolling Stones-hippy flower power-rock'n'roll path.
I've "performed" in several operas, and can confidently say that until you've been 2 meters downstage of a real operatic soprano, you don't know what loud is. The cool thing about being in an opera chorus is that you can sing as loud as (an untrained idiot like me) can, and you can't even hear yourself. People are loud.
All good fortune,
Chris
All good fortune,
Chris
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