I can
But your ingrained teachings that phase differences are not audible will negate it.
Before I started getting deeper into speaker xo design I had the same problem Stereo effects were all over the place and cohesion of the soundstage was difficult even with the best speaker placement/LP.
Then I started to learn about phase alignment and things got better with xo manipulation, then I involved dsp into the mix ......after about a yr of hardcore testing (including some measurements) i’ve found I can focus the stereo field through phase alignment.
It’s a precise adjustment with a focus point that can be moved at will but always centers in the same place (repeatable) and when centered there is a holographic cohesion of the soundstage that is absolutely engulfing.
This is what I believe was the ‘it’ I was trying to figure out awhile back.
So in other words those that are more sensitive to Not perceiving the stereo effect are maybe just out of focus.
Don’t ask me the technical particulars because I really have no clue......but I know it is repeatable. And more than likely it’s system/room dependent so it’s probably going to be a one off personal custom tune that would involve both dsp and active/passive hybrid xo’s.
But your ingrained teachings that phase differences are not audible will negate it.
Before I started getting deeper into speaker xo design I had the same problem Stereo effects were all over the place and cohesion of the soundstage was difficult even with the best speaker placement/LP.
Then I started to learn about phase alignment and things got better with xo manipulation, then I involved dsp into the mix ......after about a yr of hardcore testing (including some measurements) i’ve found I can focus the stereo field through phase alignment.
It’s a precise adjustment with a focus point that can be moved at will but always centers in the same place (repeatable) and when centered there is a holographic cohesion of the soundstage that is absolutely engulfing.
This is what I believe was the ‘it’ I was trying to figure out awhile back.
So in other words those that are more sensitive to Not perceiving the stereo effect are maybe just out of focus.
Don’t ask me the technical particulars because I really have no clue......but I know it is repeatable. And more than likely it’s system/room dependent so it’s probably going to be a one off personal custom tune that would involve both dsp and active/passive hybrid xo’s.
Wrong again.
You can start with a very large amount of artefact, so the listeners can learn what to listen for. Then decrease the artefact to normal. If you then get a negative result, the trained test listeners simply can't hear it.
This is normal practice for properly conducted tests.
Phase-wise? You don't think perceiving the two separate sources is more accurate?
Yes
As I said just like focusing binoculars
Edit......answering the second part, you’d really have to experience it to understand.
Surely someone else here adept in the arts of dsp has come across this?
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I would think it's more to do with the level difference between the ears, like how a pan pot places the image. The brain interprets the difference by placing one virtual source in the corresponding place
That's how it's done in a stereo mix and it works for most people, I wonder why it doesn't work for some.
Are you talking about yourself, Scott? I'm not aware if a man with 'normal' ears can't perceive stereo effect. Otherwise he wouldn't know what a stereo is.
If it were just a pan then the balance knob would do the same thing....and whether balance is changed in analog (on reciever) or dsp it doesn’t do the same thing.....it’s just a 2d change......I’m talking 3d
Edit......this is a bit off the wall but what if we had a sweet spot in stereo perception that could be focused much like glasses for sight ?
Edit......this is a bit off the wall but what if we had a sweet spot in stereo perception that could be focused much like glasses for sight ?
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No, Planet 10 quote :
"Do note that some 10% (Lynn Olsen’s estimate) of people are not capable of forming this stereo image. One could speculate that that is a reletively recent evolutionary adaptation, otherwise these “guys” would probably be tiger food"
I don't follow the logic of his speculation.
Well whatever I might be doing the best way I can describe the focus point.....it’s like being in a snow globe with the performance.
A larger lp (over a meter) as compared to the proverbial head in the vice
A clarity and dynamic that is so real it makes your hair stand up
I’ll take it whatever it is! 🙂
A larger lp (over a meter) as compared to the proverbial head in the vice
A clarity and dynamic that is so real it makes your hair stand up
I’ll take it whatever it is! 🙂
Not speaking of you, just agreeing with you that brains sometimes make up stuff that isn't there.
I don’t know how long ago it was when I first brought it up (months for sure) but since then I’ve concluded that it is a physical change that is repeatable to the same settings, also those settings move with each tweak but are still repeatable.
Maybe I’ve stumbled across the point where perception meets reality?
Edit.....would like to add that this isn’t a price bias thing my system is mid fi at best and totals only $1500 invested.
Maybe I’ve stumbled across the point where perception meets reality?
Edit.....would like to add that this isn’t a price bias thing my system is mid fi at best and totals only $1500 invested.
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Could be any artefact you can think of. You start with making it large enough for it to have a positive. This trains your listeners. Then you lower it. All normal practice. And no bias involved.