Speaker Wires, analysis and results

[Cal Weldon]

My trigger finger is waiting for that one wrong move by a careless poster.

 

[scottjoplin]

Don't close it till Dave explains the benefits of cyro-treating skinny wires.

That's his cue to close it

 

[lcsaszar]

My trigger finger is waiting for that one wrong move by a careless poster.

Those who don't hear it are deaf - is this the magic sentence?

 

[scottjoplin]

Those who don't hear it are deaf - is this the magic sentence?

It can't be else every thread Dave has participated in would have been closed

 

[JMFahey]

Your spider sense is tingling again - funny how some of these threads are fated to an early demise.
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I dunno, how big is the pin?

"Early?"

This 105 post thread is 104 posts too long

Including this one

 

[ferret]

Skinny cable

Aren’t the DNM cables also somewhat skinny?

dave

This is the original DNM dark grey and the conductors are 0.6mm in dia each.
As per my original statement, my brother is an electronics engineer (telemetry etc) and is not gullible or a fool. HE would be the first person to shout "Snake Oil." There was a difference.
He later on told me that probably due to the fact that the Quads have an input transformer, that changes in cable inductance and capacitance could affect the sound.

 

[Cal Weldon]

Gentlemen, we are bound by the rules. We don't delete or close a thread because we don't like it.

Also, keep in mind it is fair game to challenge an idea but not a member.

 

[ferret]

Definitely not litz

@ ferret:
The "normal speaker cable" was litz;-? The DNM "solid core".
That is the answer;-)

Nope, it was in fact pretty normal. Can't recall exactly what it was but similar to Monster, around 1.5mm dia.
The speakersw had been left on for 48hrs to charge before even attempting to play them.


With reference to this on Rod Elliott's Website Interconnect and speaker cable whitepaper
See the section discussing the input transformers

 

[chrisb]

Well, early as opposed to something like the recent “climate” thread.

Matt, as for “cryogenic”, I found it helpful to allow small quantities of treated dihydrogen monoxide to slowly dilute in my sunny afternoon G&T and lime.

 

[planet10]

...0.6mm in dia each.

Between 22 & 23g.

dave

 

[scottjoplin]

Matt, as for “cryogenic”, I found it helpful to allow small quantities of treated dihydrogen monoxide to slowly dilute in my sunny afternoon G&T and lime.

I'm guessing that is the only sensible answer I'm going to get

 

[ferret]

Just BTW, I have never been able to afford the high end cables, nor would I ever try them. Prefer to spend money on maintaining the Quads, amps and front end equipment and adding to my music collection. Just used my commonsense and ears. Directionality? I don't think so! That goes for cryogenic treatment etc. Though due to my OCDness I do like conformity, so I always have the writting starting from the "source" point

 

[chrisb]

Cheers!

 

[benb]

It's still open!

For the record (and this may be controversial!), I remove the insulation from the ends of my landscape wire with Occam's razor.

 

[scottjoplin]

It's still open!

Yep, still waiting with bated breath for an explanation of the benefits of cryo-treatment on speaker wires..................................................

 

[planet10]

I gave the hint to you a long time ago. You should have googled it yourself.

From Wikipedia:

Some of the benefits of cryogenic treatment include longer part life, less failure due to cracking, improved thermal properties, better electrical properties including less electrical resistance, reduced coefficient of friction, less creep and walk, improved flatness, and easier machining.

dave

 

[scottjoplin]

I did, and then I asked you why use thin wire and then cryo treat it to reduce the resistance?

 

[mchambin]

I did, and then I asked you why use thin wire and then cryo treat it to reduce the resistance?

Cryo treat must be followed by a proper annealing, then burn in for at least 48h hours with proper sounds. All of this has additional costs.

 

[ferret]

Cryogenic treatment definitely has its place in enginering of metals etc. I have been trying to get hold of a few papers on Research Gate as a matter of interest.

I just don't have the money to afford these cables - and I probably don't have the ultra-fine discerning ears to be able to tell the difference between a cryo-treated cable and an untreated one. Ideally of course they must be identical (same manufacturer) one made with treated and the other untreated cable.

My hearing though is good enough to hear differences between different speakers in different rooms, effects of different front ends (digital or analogue) etc. But to all intent and purposes my system is as good as it can be currently. My DIY is currently aimed at restoring some TTs, trying different tonearm / cartridge combos, and getting the best I can out of the LPs and CDs in my collection. Also building a few new and rebuilding some old RIAA headamps et al.

 

[RajkoM]

I will experiment with various speaker cables if my tube monoblocks will be finished, and I will have some time.

Aboslutely. Best idea.
I wish your tube monoblocks to be completed quickly.
Best diying.