Money is not made by exposing controversy, but by doing underhand favours to the wealthy who can pay back... Politicians are like travesty artists, they give a strong impression of virtue on the outside, but on the inside, they seek to maximize their chances of becoming richer.I think I found a major flaw. When was the last time you recall a politician understanding anything?
-Gnobuddy
Just have a look at individual candidate electoral expenditures and you will be shocked.
There is no hope, insatiable greed is a terminal cancer that is metastasizing.
There certainly are politicians who are like that, in fact there are far too many of those, but it definitely doesn't apply to all of them.
Agree. Just a moment of light-hearted fun on my part.
As you are surely aware, politics just south of our border has become incredibly ugly, and it is hard to find much that is likeable about it at the moment. Since politics is a forbidden subject on this forum, that's all I'm saying on the subject.
-Gnobuddy
Apologies if my response was a bit harsh. I did realize you were joking, but knowing a very intelligent lady who works 80 hours per week as an MP to realize as much of her ideals as possible while she never had the ambition to become an MP in the first place (she just wanted to do some supporting work in the background), I tend to overreact to such jokes.
Interesting conversation, but let's stay away from politics. You know the rules.. Thanks! There are two reasons for smart meters:scottjoplin said:
1. they allow remote load shedding in emergencies
2. they provide for electricity prices to be varied according to demand, probably on a half-hourly basis
Both of these are for the convenience of the supply industry and may prove inconvenient to housholders. Hence the headline reason:
3. they help you use less energy and so save money
In reality the sort of person who could make use of the information from a smart meter is likely to be saving energy anyway.
Yeah.
All of the above PLUS then when GFCH is banned (imminently) and those with gas Heating and hot water will have to:
1, pray they dont need a repair, service passes forever.
2, preempt the ban and begin the mental realisation, that soon in the UK, almost noone will be able to heat their homes beyond 14C for fear of energy Bill's that will bankrupt millions.
Admit defeat, and install the all new electric boilers, thrn sit there and meter watch for fear of overspending
The new electric boiler they'll soon be advertising as the best thing since Penicillin.
We are in for some serious "green" energy poverty.
In addition to the elderly energy poverty we already see (and ignore because it's not US*)
We'll be green, because none outside those who already have the luxury of alternative fuels (those wealthy country folk with fuel oil, coal or woodburners) will be able to afford to keep themselves warm in winter.
Mind you, the plus side, as little as it may be, perhaps before long we wont have winter at all.
All of the above PLUS then when GFCH is banned (imminently) and those with gas Heating and hot water will have to:
1, pray they dont need a repair, service passes forever.
2, preempt the ban and begin the mental realisation, that soon in the UK, almost noone will be able to heat their homes beyond 14C for fear of energy Bill's that will bankrupt millions.
Admit defeat, and install the all new electric boilers, thrn sit there and meter watch for fear of overspending
The new electric boiler they'll soon be advertising as the best thing since Penicillin.
We are in for some serious "green" energy poverty.
In addition to the elderly energy poverty we already see (and ignore because it's not US*)
We'll be green, because none outside those who already have the luxury of alternative fuels (those wealthy country folk with fuel oil, coal or woodburners) will be able to afford to keep themselves warm in winter.
Mind you, the plus side, as little as it may be, perhaps before long we wont have winter at all.
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For some people this future has already arrived. People buying brand new houses may find electric heating (of various types) which can be astonishingly expensive even though the new houses are supposed to be insulated to the latest standards.
On house insulation, there was a funny story in the local paper where I used to live a few years ago. A female police office had bought a new house and was enjoying it. One evening there was a knock on her door and she (and they!) were surprised to find a gang of her colleagues doing what they thought was a raid on a cannabis farm. She showed them round and they confirmed that there were no funny houseplants. The infra-red camera on the police helicopter had highlighted her roof as being unusually warm and they had not bothered to find out who lived there. The builder claimed that the roof insulation met all current standards, which I take to mean that the house design met the standards and someone had signed off to confirm that the house as built was a reasonable match to the house as designed.
On house insulation, there was a funny story in the local paper where I used to live a few years ago. A female police office had bought a new house and was enjoying it. One evening there was a knock on her door and she (and they!) were surprised to find a gang of her colleagues doing what they thought was a raid on a cannabis farm. She showed them round and they confirmed that there were no funny houseplants. The infra-red camera on the police helicopter had highlighted her roof as being unusually warm and they had not bothered to find out who lived there. The builder claimed that the roof insulation met all current standards, which I take to mean that the house design met the standards and someone had signed off to confirm that the house as built was a reasonable match to the house as designed.
Dinorwig could have eaten the 1.4GW demand if it wasn't already running, but it does take 16 seconds to get up to speed. I think this was probably a bigger event than they were prepared for and the auto trip cut in as frequency dropped before the slack had been engaged. It can run for 9 hours from a full lake so could have help out. The bigger issue here was trains that won't restart from a power outage!
Actually smart meters don't currently allow load shedding other than electric central heating or electric cars. All a bit limp considering the £££££ spent so far. Points 2 and 3 I doubt actually matter much across a population.
Berkeley Ca, has banned natural gas in new construction and has twisted and contorted the talking points to somehow make it a "non mandatory suggestion" that is in fact codified and mandatory... And somehow not going to cost people an arm and a leg. When reality is that the cost per therm is many times that of gas, and the new mandate is going to cause the electric cost to rise by leaps and bounds due to the mandatory use of renewable sources and the lack of supply being crushed by the new demand... and "50 more US cities are looking to follow suit" --- wow
Not only that - but toss in the "smart meter" and a group of know-betters can set your thermostat and bill you luxury rates on items or usage that they feel is more than your "fair share"... thanks but no thanks!
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IMO California is the bell weather example for overcrowding in the US lifestyle form.
It's also in serious decline and has been for a couple or more decades.
Even the Infrastructure has a worn look and feel to it.
It can only get worse as there is neither Coin nor Appetite to 'fix it' ... while it's still remotely possible.
Many astute types, with the means, have long ago vacated the region.
The outmigration continues apace.
Marketers promote Solar cell solutions, which only work in sunshine predominate geographies. Not much of a solution for others.
Isn't the planetary Urbanisation trend ...Grand ?
I have a S meter fitted (not by choice)
Wasn't aware that it can turn off the power... can it.. they are not that sophisticated ?
I perceived it as an instantaneous.. Big Brother, pricing tool
It's also in serious decline and has been for a couple or more decades.
Even the Infrastructure has a worn look and feel to it.
It can only get worse as there is neither Coin nor Appetite to 'fix it' ... while it's still remotely possible.
Many astute types, with the means, have long ago vacated the region.
The outmigration continues apace.
Marketers promote Solar cell solutions, which only work in sunshine predominate geographies. Not much of a solution for others.
Isn't the planetary Urbanisation trend ...Grand ?
I have a S meter fitted (not by choice)
Wasn't aware that it can turn off the power... can it.. they are not that sophisticated ?
I perceived it as an instantaneous.. Big Brother, pricing tool
Things like the Tidal Lagoon project, which never got granted funding, wouldve been another awesome piece of engineering.
I think like many things, the politics prevented it - something along the lines of, too costly per kWh (probably true). Still, it's a bit of a shame.
Meanwhile we're stuck accepting Chinese built, French designed, last generation Nuclear. At the mercy of EDF again.
Right out of the starting gates, were lumbered with an out of date nuclear renewal program, before its even running. And the costs are just as great.
Heaven help us all
I think like many things, the politics prevented it - something along the lines of, too costly per kWh (probably true). Still, it's a bit of a shame.
Meanwhile we're stuck accepting Chinese built, French designed, last generation Nuclear. At the mercy of EDF again.
Right out of the starting gates, were lumbered with an out of date nuclear renewal program, before its even running. And the costs are just as great.
Heaven help us all
I read somewhere that Ffestiniog Power Station - Wikipedia proves power for boiling kettles at the end of Eastenders
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