John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part III

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I will defer to my late sister on this. She was a fully piled high microbiologist and in a bar with a number of her colleauges they all agreed that an intelligent designer would have done a rather better job of it.

Now of course an informal discussion with a group with 100+ combined years working with the innards of cells is just that, but I found their argument more compelling than yours. I do not wish to convert anyone else to my point of view, but if you meet your intelligent designer please ask him why our eyes are inside out!

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100 million years with a vast soup of elements, complex molecules etc before one combination happened to work does not seem impossible to me.

There are theories about panspermia where in life was seeded in the form of simple single celled organisms or proto-protein chains in the vast nebula prior to the sun and planets forming.

The fact is we are here and life exists.
 
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@ vacuphile & billshurv,

the problem with theories a this level seems always to be that there is next to no chance to falsificate it (or find corrobation for it) on the usual scientific experimental level.

Strict falsification is not widely accepted today that much.

When we run an experiment, we're not only testing the hypothesis itself, but also a large number of assumptions that can be interrelated. Negative result of such experiment might be explained by the fact the the main hypothesis is false or that some of the auxiliary hypothesis might be wrong.

This is a very practical problem, but falsification has more problems, IMO.
 
No, just an observation. I didn't say man could do better. But (based on feedback from those experienced in the field) it bears all the hallmarks of something that evolved over time. A rotating proton pump is a very odd construct.

Add to that the fact that mitocondria have their own DNA so appear to be something that worked that ganged up with other things to make a cell and random processes over time frames our (or at least my) feeble minds cannot comprehend and balance of probability goes back to the primodial soup just cooking for millenia.
 
Strict falsification is not widely accepted today that much.

When we run an experiment, we're not only testing the hypothesis itself, but also a large number of assumptions that can be interrelated. Negative result of such experiment might be explained by the fact the the main hypothesis is false or that some of the auxiliary hypothesis might be wrong.

This is a very practical problem, but falsification has more problems, IMO.

Sure, but given the - already reaching about all boundaries - topic, I tried to avoid another one about epistemological topics .... 🙂
 
Dousing doesn't strike me as so far-fetched. The ability to find water by reading subtle clues from terrain, plants, who knows what-all, would have been a valuable trait in our East African ancestors.
That's an interesting theor, er, hypothesis. Do you have any evidence for it?

ETA: I can see where ESP would be a valuable trait, but I've yet to find any good evidence for it. If anything, there's a lack of evidence in spite of the beliefs of its most fervent supporters/promoters (I may have posted this before):
Why I have given up - Dr Susan Blackmore
That, and Wayne's uncle's insight, could be survival critical, so selected for.

Anyway, seems in a different category than Second Law denial, magic goop, etc. Just my opinion, natch.

All good fortune,
Chris

If you want an expert opinion on dowsing ask any water well driller. Very commonly used, wonder why?
I interpreted "Wayne's uncle's insight" as "You can drill anywhere around here and you'll hit water."

And of course if you hit water, that means the dowser was right, right?
 
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That's an interesting theor, er, hypothesis. Do you have any evidence for it?

Dowsing studies from the early 20th century were examined by geologist John Walter Gregory in a report for the Smithsonian Institution. Gregory concluded that the results were a matter of chance or explained by observations from ground surface clues.

I can no longer find an interview with a dowser that explains how much of it is ordinary geoscience.
 
I can no longer find an interview with a dowser that explains how much of it is ordinary geoscience.
That would be interesting, but also, from what I've seen of dowsers on TV and such, highly misleading and disingenuous. I've not heard a dowser claim that the knowledge of the location of water came from anything other than the stick in his hand and what the stick is 'telling' him.
 
I can no longer find an interview with a dowser that explains how much of it is ordinary geoscience.
There is water dowsing and yes that can be knowledge of the terrain and water tables, ie geoscience.
Dowsing is not only for water, but also for ground radiation 'hot spots' which are intersections or nodal points of energy grid lines and erratic lines such as fault lines and water veins.

These high energy hot spots can be beneficial or 'geopathic' and have been known since forever and significant spots are often marked with stone circles or earth works and........
In Britain at least the Christian Church tended to co-opt earlier religious sites rather than destroy them. (The term ‘Roman Catholic’ or ‘Roman Catholic" didn’t really come into use in the English language until the sixteenth century.) Numerous buildings including pagan temples and other sites were converted into churches, or Christian churches were constructed on ancient pagan sites:

Dan.
 
That would be interesting, but also, from what I've seen of dowsers on TV and such, highly misleading and disingenuous. I've not heard a dowser claim that the knowledge of the location of water came from anything other than the stick in his hand and what the stick is 'telling' him.

Well, when you are selling something mystic, that's what you would say, isn't it?
 
Dowsing is not only for water, but also for ground radiation 'hot spots' which are intersections or nodal points of energy grid lines and erratic lines such as fault lines and water veins.

These high energy hot spots can be beneficial or 'geopathic' and have been known since forever and significant spots are often marked with stone circles or earth works and........

Good, add some goop to the dowsing rods and you are on your way to penetrate the market; unless shame penetrates you first (which somehow I doubt).
 
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