Yup, never smarten up the chumps. I doubt OTOH he got rich rebranding stock caps to a few stupid audiophiles. Stupid me all those years ago I though the point of things like AA were to inform the average DIY'er in how to get the most out of their limited funds. Instead the flock of cottage industrialists descend on the confused mass of innocents.
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Initially you seemed to be confused about what Joe was saying, then Pavel, then Scott, but I'm not buying it, sorry
“The correct path when dealing with the deluded is to leave them to it. They remain happy in their delusion. And those that know better can observe their struggles and learn from them.
But, when you descend to their level, and waste time berating them for their stupidity and lack of knowledge, you reap only frustration. For, every man must find truth through himself and not by others”
Tsung Que (230 BC)
Ok, then explain what George's point was & relieve my confusionYou are out JCing JC, this is hilarious
Here's his post
Scott jumps in with his usual mean-spirited remark after George's post & then tries to hide his own confusion
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which 'big system' would that be?
Caps in filters matter. Douglas Self devoted many pages to it in his active crossover book. Distortion can be measured in that case. Basic good engineering, no flooby dust or audiophile approved names required.
In so far as 'wrong caps make for a high distortion active filter' then yes.
How's the multitone, dynamic, real music like NFM test coming along?
Is that your answer to me, Scott?
Just as I thought - you have nothing, no point about what George meant - your posts are full of deflection, misunderstandings & any chance to put in a snide remark but when pulled up on any of your snide posts, you shout troll & have nothing, nada, zero when asked to explain
Shame!
Actually he did get rich and moved away from Berkeley. he lived in a rented dump before. After a couple years of relabeled caps at inflated prices he now has a large home with pool etc. Living large the rest of his life. His relabeled caps (IAR "Wonder" caps) ) did sound better than electro or mylar and so people chnaged them and it was a good deal to them. They were polyprop caps.
I had idea while at LLNL for a lower esr and lower Ls cap and shared it with Bas Lim. From that and some after hours cap making to my design, Bas invested in a new cap machine modified to make them my way. They are the Multicap series by REL.
One day 2 FBI agents came to my house here where I am now and asked me about price fixing on caps. the cap prices were going thru the roof and someone in the industry complained. They pointed to REL cap prices. But as I explained to the FBI who was concerned with parts price fixing.... we had invested 40K usd in a new machine and also we used best materials and practices and 100% cap testing so were always more expensive. And that, unlike all the others, I had a patent. They left and I never saw them again but am sure they went next to Peter Moncrieff and others doing copy cat caps.
Oh the drama of it all !
Just some old "facts" in case any one cares to know.
THx-RNMarsh
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Understood (and true). But what's the best way to deal with those purposefully perpetrating false or misleading information (aka FUD*)
*) FUD
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a disinformation strategy used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics, cults, and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear.
“Understood (and true). But what's the best way to deal with those purposefully perpetrating false or misleading information (aka FUD*) ”
Personally, I’d just follow Tsung Que’s advice.
Are you getting burned by the behavior of the perpetrators or the deluded? Answer: probably not
Who is getting burned by these people? Answer: only the deluded - who you cannot help anyway. As for the perpetrators of this stuff, eventually they will be found out. They’re probably deluded anyway.
In short, let it be. You will not change it.
Personally, I’d just follow Tsung Que’s advice.
Are you getting burned by the behavior of the perpetrators or the deluded? Answer: probably not
Who is getting burned by these people? Answer: only the deluded - who you cannot help anyway. As for the perpetrators of this stuff, eventually they will be found out. They’re probably deluded anyway.
In short, let it be. You will not change it.
Been taking pointers from Bybee on yarn spinning, what industry the hi-end collective do you think anyone believes a serious industry paid any attention to this nonsense? They should have called in NCIS they don't negotiate. Sorry, we bought film caps for critical applications starting long before this, there was never any price issue.
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Counter to that, if a little OTT https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/
I would add to the list the innocent but honest less knowledgeable DIYers. Those could be helped with good technical advice.
How do you think those honest (but delusional) opamp rollers reached their strong beliefs? They were offered a simple, cheap and effortless substitute to knowledge and education, and they bought it, since it came in the package with the prospect of becoming a High End Audio Expert with virtually zero effort. From this perspective, I see the High End Audio FUD perpetrated here and on other public fora as a sort of contagious disease.
I should add that only the FUD spreaders that do not have the benefit of ignorance are, in my view, despicable.
Or, closer to you, a certain referendum where FUD scored a glorious victory that eventually you will all dearly pay for.
I agree. No one outside the readers of International Audio Review by J.P.Moncrieff. He started relabelling when he discovered PP sounded better and he could make a killing selling to audio hobbyists replacing inferior DA cap types.
My patented Cap design was intended for app in very fast, high current discharge. A lot were sold to comm industry. Where it performs extreamly well and reliable.
THx-RNMarsh
FUD definition from google:
"Fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage."
Obviously, the definition includes a requirement for motivation.
IMHO, a little bit of uncertainty and or doubt may be a helpful counter to overconfidence bias, one of the big, very common biases. If the motivation for trying to promote or induce a little uncertainty and or doubt is well-intentioned, or even if it is neutrally-intentioned, then requirements of the above definition of FUD are not met.
"Fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage."
Obviously, the definition includes a requirement for motivation.
IMHO, a little bit of uncertainty and or doubt may be a helpful counter to overconfidence bias, one of the big, very common biases. If the motivation for trying to promote or induce a little uncertainty and or doubt is well-intentioned, or even if it is neutrally-intentioned, then requirements of the above definition of FUD are not met.
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