Three channels. Some real progress at last.
All good fortune,
Chris
ps: Are those real Degas?
All good fortune,
Chris
ps: Are those real Degas?
So he got both the speakers & amp for free or heavily discounted from Harman.
Of course he could be promoting Harman products whom he worked for - not exactly a unbiased choice
And you are using this unnatural financial arrangement to prove that my contention was incorrect - that speakers generally (to the common man in the street) were a more expensive purchase than amps (all are transparent, right?)
So first off you use speaker kits to try to deny I'm correct & then you use this example of Toole/Harmon - none of which apply to the man in the street
But that is the point exactly where the bitter irony is; in this game it is not about to find out if he is right, the point is just to spread enough FUD and so to avoid any serious discussion about his point of view/statements.
Chris719 just gave a pretty good example for this approach.
Therefore I mentioned my experience when quoting from Bech/Zacharov; it seems to be much more common to believe in the reasoning that someone must spread a certain message (although he surely knows better) because of his business interest.
The other way of reasoning, namely that he spread the message because it is what he found out and that he therefore is selling it, seem to be far less convincing.
Wall of speakers was quite common in normal stores, while specialized "Hi-Fi shops" only selling that were just emerging following the "high-end" idea.
I was asking for the speaker path he could have choosen instead, as the usual recommendation was to spend at least 50% of the budget for the speaker, so if you're just interested in selling an overpriced splendid idea, the speaker business would have been the more natural choice.
But I agree mainly because, if such an idea transforms into a mantra, chances are high that it will do harm.
Despite that I think it is a good attempt to try such an idea along with others as it depends on the individual approach on listening to music.
It might be the right choice for some, while I'm dead sure that it can't be for everyone. 🙂
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I think it's also about things that you don't give above as options. It's very hard to take his views/statements seriously when his basic knowledge has such large gaps.
Quite. If you also consider that Toole has a PhD in EE makes it even more so! Someone spends 40 years seriously investigating acoustics and perception and gets dismissed as a corporate shill says a lot. Sad really.
As said before, I don't think that mmerrill99 means it seriously but is just showing what a silly game it is......
that he's playing....... I don't think many here take him seriously, so it's not much of a issue.
There is no such entity as ‘the man in the street’. More deflective nonsense. You will be gone soon.
Hilarious and inaccurate , merrill's constant abuse of others is ok with you I take it? 🙄
Well it seems to me after reading about the gedlee metric and thd+n measuring that the main factor against implementation is not that it doesn’t work but that many manufacturers do not measure up to the standard?
Scott,
Laughable, is it not? In my terrestrial life, wherever I go, I try to generate an oasis of calm around me from within, and the bullies simply melt away. I cannot stand bullies or bullying behaviour. Notice how it has gone quiet here? It is because everyone with some skin in the Game of Audio is waiting for the bully to leave.
I like it here, I like the people here, I learn a lot, and given the chance I give a lot back, but I have no time for bullies. This is not even an issue for the moderators. All of us are patiently waiting for the bully to come to his senses, and leave.
ToS
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That is part of the problem, but a bigger one is that it cuts through the 'story' a lot of manufacturers want tell (and journalists want to write about). It's too sensible!
As a outside observer with no skin in the ‘game’ I don’t see it as which team do I side with or who’s right or wrong.
I see one side that’s mired in tradition and one side wanting to further advance.
Both are right.....what’s wrong is not being able to blend the two productively?
To say nothing can get any better is stagnation.
And If mmerril really is pushing some sort of hidden sales agenda he’s not doing a very good job of it.....because I don’t pick up on any sales pitch in his posts, just a quest for ‘better’......Is better a bad thing in audio?
How about better and cheaper.....that would be nice.😛
As in revealing the BS artists for what they really are.....I get it.
I can understand how it might be perceived that way, but I see it as those who are aware to varying degrees of the physical scientific facts and those who either aren't or pretend they aren't and aren't interested in them anyway for any multitude of reasons that I'm not that interested in. It seems to be a sign of the times that science is continually under attack and there is a movement, not just here but almost everywhere that attempts to silence those that find themselves having to defend science, this strikes me as a depressing waste of time but it has to be done.
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