Points to consider:
I like DIYers - they are the happiest audiophiles I know, and are
remarkably nice and self-sufficient.
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Happy audiophiles! Rare beasts but if you know where to look 😉
What would be the down side to selling to both sales channels (pre-built and dyi market) at the same time? .
DYI ? is that the Geordie version of this website ?
Only UK people will get that joke...…
Points to consider:
On the downside -
PL and FW work through established distribution worldwide. Distributors
have been tolerant of DIY efforts to date, but have made it clear that
they don't like PL and FW stuff as kits or public schematics.
This is partly because of cloners and partly because it reduces the
appeal of commercial product as they see it.
Also, complete technical information gives the competition something to
badmouth, and/or copy...
Not to mention there is very little money and lots of support in selling kits.
On the upside -
I like doing DIY. It gives me a great outlet for creative efforts that don't
fit my commercial agenda.
I like DIYers - they are the happiest audiophiles I know, and are
remarkably nice and self-sufficient.
So what's not to like?
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Understood. Thanks for the feedback.
This discussion of kits reminds me of why we are called "greedy boyz." Why not just be happy with Papa's crumbs. Much more than any other high end seller of audio products has ever done.
This discussion of kits reminds me of why we are called "greedy boyz." Why not just be happy with Papa's crumbs. Much more than any other high end seller of audio products has ever done.
Very true!
This discussion of kits reminds me of why we are called "greedy boyz." Why not just be happy with Papa's crumbs. Much more than any other high end seller of audio products has ever done.
Not unhappy. Just asking a question.
Very true!
Let's not go all Oliver Twist now. While it's very nice for Nelson to share, it's not completely a one way street now is it? This forum provides a huge source of free brainstorming, idea generation, etc. It's like Scot Adam's and Dilbert. Everyone emails him stupid real life work stories and he has a limitless supply of fodder for his strip. No different.
Let's not go all Oliver Twist now. While it's very nice for Nelson to share, it's not completely a one way street now is it? This forum provides a huge source of free brainstorming, idea generation, etc. It's like Scot Adam's and Dilbert. Everyone emails him stupid real life work stories and he has a limitless supply of fodder for his strip. No different.
I disagree. Very different than Scott Adams / Dilbert.
Nelson is, for free, teaching people how to make amplifiers as he makes them. In addition, he answers technical questions posed by people who are learning how to make amplifiers as he makes them. The value of this flow of information is enormous in my opinion.
I think that there is very little that flows in the opposite direction that he uses to earn money. I would venture to say maybe zero.
Just my opinion. It is worth exactly what is paid for it. Maybe less.
amusement we are giving to him is priceless
I believe he had at least 15min of laugh every time when I asked each of my customary brilliantly stupid questions

I believe he had at least 15min of laugh every time when I asked each of my customary brilliantly stupid questions

I disagree. Very different than Scott Adams / Dilbert.
Nelson is, for free, teaching people how to make amplifiers as he makes them. In addition, he answers technical questions posed by people who are learning how to make amplifiers as he makes them. The value of this flow of information is enormous in my opinion.
I think that there is very little that flows in the opposite direction that he uses to earn money. I would venture to say maybe zero.
Just my opinion. It is worth exactly what is paid for it. Maybe less.
It's hard to say what triggers innovation. Having access to brainstorming and idea-bouncing with a huge, free group of technicians/customer at various levels of expertise would certainly be an asset for any company. Just saying.
I think that there is very little that flows in the opposite direction that he uses to earn money. I would venture to say maybe zero.
I would not say that at all. I get lots of return value.

I would not say that at all. I get lots of return value.
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Understood. I defer.
Points to consider:
On the downside -
PL and FW work through established distribution worldwide. Distributors
have been tolerant of DIY efforts to date, but have made it clear that
they don't like PL and FW stuff as kits or public schematics.
This is partly because of cloners and partly because it reduces the
appeal of commercial product as they see it.
Also, complete technical information gives the competition something to
badmouth, and/or copy...
Not to mention there is very little money and lots of support in selling kits.
On the upside -
I like doing DIY. It gives me a great outlet for creative efforts that don't
fit my commercial agenda.
I like DIYers - they are the happiest audiophiles I know, and are
remarkably nice and self-sufficient.
So what's not to like?
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Whatever the motivations. I am extremely grateful for Father Pass's generosity! 🙂
I certainly appreciate the tips and build advice but all of the fan-boys are just too much.
You guys just crack me up. I guess that's what it must be like to be like to be Taylor Swift. Out.
You guys just crack me up. I guess that's what it must be like to be like to be Taylor Swift. Out.
I certainly appreciate the tips and build advice but all of the fan-boys are just too much.
You guys just crack me up. I guess that's what it must be like to be like to be Taylor Swift. Out.
well , if logical answer , given to you in post #19 isn't enough to clarify other's side (in questioner - answerer dialogue) interests , there is nothing what can be given to you as satisfactory answer
are you a just a troll , or plain stupid , or plain mean ?
I always know what I am .......

Points to consider:
On the downside -
PL and FW work through established distribution worldwide. Distributors
have been tolerant of DIY efforts to date, but have made it clear that
they don't like PL and FW stuff as kits or public schematics.
This is partly because of cloners and partly because it reduces the
appeal of commercial product as they see it.
Also, complete technical information gives the competition something to
badmouth, and/or copy...
Not to mention there is very little money and lots of support in selling kits.
On the upside -
I like doing DIY. It gives me a great outlet for creative efforts that don't
fit my commercial agenda.
I like DIYers - they are the happiest audiophiles I know, and are
remarkably nice and self-sufficient.
So what's not to like?
![]()
Thanks for taking the time to explain Nelson. Makes perfect sense.
well , if logical answer , given to you in post #19 isn't enough to clarify other's side (in questioner - answerer dialogue) interests , there is nothing what can be given to you as satisfactory answer
are you a just a troll , or plain stupid , or plain mean ?
I always know what I am .......![]()
Yes, the answer that Nelson gave was in fact fair and reasonable. Thanks for that. The rest of the minions that chimed in on the otherhand need to MYOFB.
you got it all wrong
Greedy Boyz are more like well behaving Gremlins , than Minions
nothing wrong with some shared fun and nice wishes ....... try it , maybe next time you'll see things from nicer side ...... instead of minding just your own ooking business
that's behavior for FiFI forums , not for here
Greedy Boyz are more like well behaving Gremlins , than Minions
nothing wrong with some shared fun and nice wishes ....... try it , maybe next time you'll see things from nicer side ...... instead of minding just your own ooking business
that's behavior for FiFI forums , not for here
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