John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part III

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The rows of bookcases are long gone, the internet having made paper copies unnecessary.
Blasphemy... I scoff in your general direction...

The important stuff, I print, hi light, and mark up. And I hit the antique bookstore every once in a while.
There is signal frequency dependent velocity behaviour (dispersion, Hawksford) which causes resonance and dynamics behaviour anomalies and PIM.
Dan.
If you refer to the Essex echo article, that was so thoroughly debunked it wasn't funny. Bait and switch (replace the copper wire in the test setup with a high permeability steel wire according to JC) to support a preconceived notion is not looked upon nicely.

Jn
 
Scott, JN,

In wiring most folks are using, temperature rise is the limiting factor on gauge size. Apparently causing the insulation to fail is a bad idea. I suspect none of us disagree on this.

I did have one electrical inspector have me change 10 gauge wire to 12 gauge inside some if my racks. Easier to do than get the zzxghehhxc to comprehend the National Electrical Code.

As to high voltage transmission lines, there are significant cost savings to running existing lines at higher powers. I do know an energy lawyer who has participated in trying to clear new right of ways for energy transmission use. To put it mildly he got "diss'd" by a fair number of rich and famous for not in my backyard (actually view of the landscape.)

They used to make the HV steel messenger core wire locally. However they did close the plant as better methods and kinds of steel now exist. But it was a biggy circa WWII.

I do have a spool of medium voltage cable for inside use. It only has a half inch of insulation all around the copper plated 12 gaugish steel core.

So unusual for this thread I don't think we are arguing, actually having a discussion with added insights from the participants.

Of course to keep things on track I could insult someone, but as it is a holiday weekend I think I will just stay in mellow mode.
 
JN

I have a bookcase design I use where the sides are a 1" x 2" maple frame with 1/4" flat cut plywood inserts, similar for the back. The shelves are also thin plywood inset into similar solid maple pieces front and back. The shelves are not adjustable. The design allows me to be able to move the shelves (around 35 pounds) very easily and the can hold a full load of books.

The strength secret is the shelves are rigidly attached.

So far I have made a few dozen and need to do another run as my home library is out of shelf space.
 
So unusual for this thread I don't think we are arguing, actually having a discussion with added insights from the participants.
of COURSE we're arguing!! Your just too dumb to realize!!!;);)
Of course to keep things on track I could insult someone, but as it is a holiday weekend I think I will just stay in mellow mode.
I took care of that for you.:D Stay mellow, my friend...

Having lots of fun with the mini mill.. It's amazing to easily make parts with .001 inch accuracies, the dro's totally rule! Now I can make parts that are identical and fit.

Jn
 
The same tired arguments. I still don't recommend silver, unless you specifically know what you are doing, because it has a tendency to sound 'bright'. Not necessarily hi freq tip up bright, but maybe 'higher order distortion bright' or something similar. Even Xover distortion in amps can make them sound 'bright' and when you remove this xover distortion by simply increasing the output device bias, becomes suddenly 'neutral' and then you might realize that you need a tweeter. This actually happened once.
 
Not necessarily hi freq tip up bright, but maybe 'higher order distortion bright' or something similar. Even Xover distortion in amps can make them sound 'bright' and when you remove this xover distortion by simply increasing the output device bias, becomes suddenly 'neutral' and then you might realize that you need a tweeter. This actually happened once.
I'm sure you can discriminate, and would had talked of distortions. Which ones are also easy to be measured.

Anyway, if it was some distortion added by the silver wire that made the sound brighter, why the hell a straight wire with better conductivity should generate more distortion (if any)than a coper one ?

John, I do not question your ability to listen, quite the contrary. Not even that your silver cable added some "shine" to the listening. Where I can not follow you is when you suggest that these differences would be due to the metal from which the cables you compared were made.
 
Individual hair cells (HCs) are not themselves tuned to frequencies. Rather, they live (are mounted) on a mechanically-tuned location of the basilar membrane and therefore respond in a tuned way (see anatomy). The attack of a bass note pluck does contain a transient HF component and the HF HCs do respond transiently, if they are alive. The basilar membrane will respond similarly with or without the HCs. The LF HCs will be stimulated quickly with a fast attack and slowly with a slow attack, and therefore will respond differently. Hearing is about both timing AND frequency, not OR. We perceive both envelope and frequencies, depending on... a bunch of things<snip>

Long time no see; nice to see to you participating.

While i agree on the importance of processing both (envelope and spectral information) i don´t think that the stimulation of LF HCs will be (very) different if a fast attack occurs.
From the literature it seems that attenuation of the TW is quite effective so that higher frequencies don´t have an impact on the far end of the BM where the low frequency decomposition takes place.
Although the tuning curves for each frequency band show the v-shape when increasing the level there is little expansion above the CF while the broadening (and typical tail) for frequencies below the CF is more pronounced.
So chances are higher that high frequency bands are reacting with neuronal activiy (above the spontaneous rate) if low frequency soundwaves with higher levels are present than the other way round.
 
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Long time no see; nice to see to you participating.

While i agree on the importance of processing both (envelope and spectral information) i don´t think that the stimulation of LF HCs will be (very) different if a fast attack occurs.
From the literature it seems that attenuation of the TW is quite effective so that higher frequencies don´t have an impact on the far end of the BM where the low frequency decomposition takes place.
Although the tuning curves for each frequency band show the the v-shape when increasing the level there is little expansion above the CF while the broadening (and typical tail) for frequencies below the CF is more pronounced.
So chances are higher that high frequency bands are reacting with neuronal activiy (above the spontaneous rate) if low frequency soundwaves with higher levels are present than the other way round.
My interpretation of what S&M posted was that a bass note would reach an audible amplitude faster when the risetime was steep than with a less steep risetime. What I wonder about is how this would be audibly perceived?
 
As others have pointed out, the real calculation requires a return current path. As such, a single conductor calculation is of no use for us, and the geometry of the current loop is what dominates.<snip>

I must admit not having tried to figure out which configuration the calculator number is supposed to cover.
The calculation of inner-inductance (maybe the correct term is self-inductance?) is useful as it is often needed for the correct calculation for a given loop configuration.
Inner-inductance of a round conductor is ~ 50 nH/m and (at dc and low frequency currents without significant scin effect) and accounting for it (and the inner-inductance of the shield as return conductor) helps to get the correct result for a coax.
 
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