New design proposals are coming in. Some are downright scary.
17 Artists Suggest Notre Dame Cathedral Reconstruction Designs
Hmm - no.
Looks to me like non of the designers have ever been to Notre Dame. I know because, I have never been either.
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Liked a lot the one with the golden blob instead the spire recalling the fire !
Al those projects forgott 2 critical points in the specifications : Glass is attractive for pidgeons' bombs and you don't want to see climbers cleaning a glass roof on a church like a building... maybe grey glass could work...
Al those projects forgott 2 critical points in the specifications : Glass is attractive for pidgeons' bombs and you don't want to see climbers cleaning a glass roof on a church like a building... maybe grey glass could work...
Having looked at the drone photos those Russians took it looks like quite a lot of the original vaulted ceiling was holding up the charred beams.
Based on this I would say that a glass roof would not be chosen.
I would go for stainless steel hoops with slate grey anodeised stainless steel square tiles with a few black ones fitted to show a cross like the one on the old spire on each face of the roof. The hoops would fit across the points where the existing butreses meet the external walls and have the pitched roof bolted to them.
If the spire were made in sections that can be air lifted into place from the level of the top of bell towers to the cross at the top this would allow the high level space inside the spire to be rented out for a phone mast in future should the income be needed.
#2 would be a good outline the spire being about the same width as the gap between the bell towers at the bell tower top level.
#12 reminds me of Chesterfield Parish church in UK.
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Based on this I would say that a glass roof would not be chosen.
I would go for stainless steel hoops with slate grey anodeised stainless steel square tiles with a few black ones fitted to show a cross like the one on the old spire on each face of the roof. The hoops would fit across the points where the existing butreses meet the external walls and have the pitched roof bolted to them.
If the spire were made in sections that can be air lifted into place from the level of the top of bell towers to the cross at the top this would allow the high level space inside the spire to be rented out for a phone mast in future should the income be needed.
#2 would be a good outline the spire being about the same width as the gap between the bell towers at the bell tower top level.
#12 reminds me of Chesterfield Parish church in UK.
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Scary is subjective to the eyes of the beholder. Unless you have been in my head, I don't see how you can confirm or deny it.
Well, you can submit a design and see how it will be received. Who knows, if it wins, you will be set for life.
Scary is subjective to the eyes of the beholder. Unless you have been in my head, I don't see how you can confirm or deny it.
Well, you can submit a design and see how it will be received. Who knows, if it wins, you will be set for life.
Sorry, my posting was a tad sloppy. Hmm - no (thanks) to the designs I saw, is what I actually meant. The reference to scariness passed me by ......
Having visited Notre Dame as a 3D model on Google Earth, I think it is just an amazing structure to behold. There is only one artist in the world who can pull it off, and they have yet to be found. Could even be a child scribbling on a sidewalk. The commissioner needs to try harder.
All of the designs on Bored Panda looked like they had been put together by committees - too corporate spectacle for my liking. The ideas using glass are just an easy fix, as in mutton dressed as lamb with lipstick. But it is interesting to see the state of play.
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Thre's a church building in a small town in the north of The Netherlands that was decommissioned and can be rented for events. The roof was replaced by a glass construction. Much smaller than ND of course, but still.
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A church-like space in full light is quite nice. I attended an audio event there, very special.
Jan
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A church-like space in full light is quite nice. I attended an audio event there, very special.
Jan
I too, like the idea of using glass for reconstructing Notre Dame.
What I object to is seeing CGI coupled with photomontage being used ubiquitously in the initial design presentation process. The designs on the Bored Panda link tell us nothing. What I would prefer to see is drawings and paintings, they are a much more honest representation of an artist's vision and intention.
If it looks good scrawled on the back of an envelope, it will most probably work.
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There's a small country church in our area that has a window effect I quite like. The sanctuary is conventional rectangular with a peak roof. The side walls are maybe 15 ft. high (east & west), with large clear windows that begin at about the 8-ft. mark and go up to where the wall meets the roof. The effect is that while seated in the pews, you can look up & out and have a panoramic view of the (heavenly) sky, with all the distracting (worldly) ground features blocked from view. I guess it sounds a bit odd as I write it, but it's really quite relaxing.
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That sounds really nice, I guess also that the comparative contrast between the sky and the darkened interior aids the window's function as contemplative in conjunction with music, song, and voice. Quite an enlightened piece of design. I imagine it is quite something in the early morning and late afternoon during winter time services.
What do they do about the summer "roast" factor mentioned by jackinnj?
There's lots of [arts that can be opened up to let the heated air escape. Not an issue in a high building anyway.
ND is very high internally, any heated up air rises up and will hang just beneath the roof, even if there's no vents (which there will be for sure).
Down below, 60 feet lower, there's no roasting.
Jan
all those projects looks like warts...
Indeed. But some will say that's the Progress to allow people for entertainment and visit the roof of N-D. You know it's all about modernity thinghy, soon we will se project with a glass lift right under the spire with a carbon platform for the priest to talk above the people... and soon some cultural exhibition on it
Well, imho too much people mix up what is a building with its destination and history... not saying the lack of good taste... It becomes an experiment structure for architects and worse, engineers, whom have not too much old art culture. They know well XIX to nowadays architectur history, but look at very fast in the school older areas and most of the time without proper art history education.
The argument I found the most stupid is we should inovate cause ancient massons were at the state of the art knowledge when they build it ! But Damn it's not about an happening or a living project as Bauhaus was...
Technic can be modern but should avoid the dictat of technic. At the opposit architects should help to say what's is possible or not in relation to the art priority first... not their own ambition, personal limited vision.
Frankly, an honnest guy could not say any of those 17 projects made by beginners are more beautifull than before the fire and not waste the unity of the building which makes (made?) it a piece of art, beautifull thing and a testimonial of its time. Not sure it's ambitious ro transform it for looking like a HK modern trade center. I find also a shame and a big mistake to impose time delay for an occasional need not focused on the interest of the building... which role is not about today today but may testify the past for the future.
The worst accident is not the fire but is becoming an ocasional human accident which wil destroy this beautifull building even more... Don't forgett it's not totally destroyed. What if it was totally destroyed ? Then a modern project from scratch with a whole vision from scratch as well would have been ambitious. For instance like this project near Paris : Louis Vuiton fundation (I talk about it cause it seems they given 200 millions euros for N-D restauration) : L'Histoire du batiment ! Read and learn what is Unity...
I like the Hubble concept to change the food analogy : technic yes, but to see the past deeper ! (and I don't say one should swap the spire for a telescope)
Indeed. But some will say that's the Progress to allow people for entertainment and visit the roof of N-D. You know it's all about modernity thinghy, soon we will se project with a glass lift right under the spire with a carbon platform for the priest to talk above the people... and soon some cultural exhibition on it
Well, imho too much people mix up what is a building with its destination and history... not saying the lack of good taste... It becomes an experiment structure for architects and worse, engineers, whom have not too much old art culture. They know well XIX to nowadays architectur history, but look at very fast in the school older areas and most of the time without proper art history education.
The argument I found the most stupid is we should inovate cause ancient massons were at the state of the art knowledge when they build it ! But Damn it's not about an happening or a living project as Bauhaus was...
Technic can be modern but should avoid the dictat of technic. At the opposit architects should help to say what's is possible or not in relation to the art priority first... not their own ambition, personal limited vision.
Frankly, an honnest guy could not say any of those 17 projects made by beginners are more beautifull than before the fire and not waste the unity of the building which makes (made?) it a piece of art, beautifull thing and a testimonial of its time. Not sure it's ambitious ro transform it for looking like a HK modern trade center. I find also a shame and a big mistake to impose time delay for an occasional need not focused on the interest of the building... which role is not about today today but may testify the past for the future.
The worst accident is not the fire but is becoming an ocasional human accident which wil destroy this beautifull building even more... Don't forgett it's not totally destroyed. What if it was totally destroyed ? Then a modern project from scratch with a whole vision from scratch as well would have been ambitious. For instance like this project near Paris : Louis Vuiton fundation (I talk about it cause it seems they given 200 millions euros for N-D restauration) : L'Histoire du batiment ! Read and learn what is Unity...
I like the Hubble concept to change the food analogy : technic yes, but to see the past deeper ! (and I don't say one should swap the spire for a telescope
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Think a glass roof is easy?
A rubber seal that runs along the center of the 355-foot retractable skylight at the World Trade Center Oculus is believed to have ripped during its opening and closing on the 2018 anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, said a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
The World Trade Center’s $3.9 Billion Oculus Has Rip in Its Skylight - WSJ
A rubber seal that runs along the center of the 355-foot retractable skylight at the World Trade Center Oculus is believed to have ripped during its opening and closing on the 2018 anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, said a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
The World Trade Center’s $3.9 Billion Oculus Has Rip in Its Skylight - WSJ
Not easy but easy decision focused towards the technic, often made to impress people and medias like it was for Louvre Pyramid (many people think it's beautifull because it's the orthodoxia dictated by medias and skilled information campaign.
Now it's not because there is glass it's not beautifull... look the photograph above for example ! I find fine the mix of wood and metal in the superstructure...
They say to have one billion for N-D but indeed some can always overshoot the targett when it's about the monney
Now it's not because there is glass it's not beautifull... look the photograph above for example ! I find fine the mix of wood and metal in the superstructure...
They say to have one billion for N-D but indeed some can always overshoot the targett when it's about the monney
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Masdar town project in Abu Dabi is interressant about heat & cooling management. They take the modern technics as the oldest one like "heat cheminry with "Wind Towers" from their classic architecture.
It is said to be green, but I'm not aware about the mix of passive cooling and helped one?
In the past at a time when Norte Dame was built, technologies were slow to change, but when they did, as in the way of all things, the change was both fast and abrupt. Now, technologies are born and killed off in decades rather than centuries or millennia. Apprenticeships, depending upon the trade, used to last anywhere between 3 - 20 years. Now, because of the internet, everybody is an instant expert, and I think this is dilemma behind the eventual choice of as to how Norte Dame is resurrected.
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